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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I am sick and tired of this garbage and defamatory tone towards my faith.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Then your faith might want to back out of politics.  If you move into the national spotlight, you&#039;re fair game for criticism.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;If you don’t like the way it is, then don’t go their!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

If only your faith had the same philosophy regarding california and gay marriage.

&lt;I&gt;&quot;Stay in your little realm of the world, and be content.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

again, if only your faith and faith leaders felt this way, too.  Stay in your own little realm and leave the rest of us alone.  But no, you send missionaries and money to stop honest, hardworking american families.


&lt;i&gt;&quot;Stop this nonsensical stupidity and realize that in Nazi Germany the same persecution and defamation you are focusing your efforts on today occurred in what eventually became death camps!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Funny you bring up Nazi Germany, roughly &lt;b&gt;15000 LGBT people were murdered during the holocaust.&lt;/b&gt;  They wore pink triangles and were beaten up both by the guards and by the other prisoners.  They were given the most degrading and dangerous work in the camps and many of the instruments of death and torture used on the Jewish people were first tested and perfected on LGBT people.  If you really want to get into the &quot;Opression Olympics&quot; with us, we&#039;ve got you beat, by several thousand years.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Your group think mentality makes me sick, and you are looking through the wrong end of a pair of binoculars. You have it completely back@$$wards.

Fascism is alive and well, but it’s not the LDS faith that’s practicing it!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

What exactly was Prop 8, then?  Your disconnect from reality makes me sick.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;It is you the bitter population that refuses to respect the tenants of one’s faith,&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The ONLY people who need to respect the tenants of ANY faith are the people OF THAT FAITH.

You want to talk about fascism and you expect other people, non-believers to respect the tenants of your faith?  &lt;b&gt;Pot, this is kettle, you&#039;re black.&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...and instead seeks to corrupt it… Put the binoculars down, –you don’t know how to use them anyway—and look in the mirror, it is your group think mob that is practicing fascism!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Corrupt it?  By living our lives as we choose?  Have you even looked up freedom?
It&#039;s really simple, if you and your faith don&#039;t want to be criticized, then stop trying to force the tenants of your faith on other people who&#039;s lives and loves are not up for judgment by you or your faith.

If you want respect for your faith, you should try giving respect to those not of your faith.  &lt;b&gt;Here&#039;s a hint, taking away a civil right is NOT respectful.&lt;/b&gt; Marriage equality hurts no one, look at Massachusetts, it still has the lowest divorce rate and not one church has been forced to perform a gay wedding or lost it&#039;s tax exempt status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I am sick and tired of this garbage and defamatory tone towards my faith.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Then your faith might want to back out of politics.  If you move into the national spotlight, you&#8217;re fair game for criticism.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;If you don’t like the way it is, then don’t go their!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>If only your faith had the same philosophy regarding california and gay marriage.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Stay in your little realm of the world, and be content.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>again, if only your faith and faith leaders felt this way, too.  Stay in your own little realm and leave the rest of us alone.  But no, you send missionaries and money to stop honest, hardworking american families.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Stop this nonsensical stupidity and realize that in Nazi Germany the same persecution and defamation you are focusing your efforts on today occurred in what eventually became death camps!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Funny you bring up Nazi Germany, roughly <b>15000 LGBT people were murdered during the holocaust.</b>  They wore pink triangles and were beaten up both by the guards and by the other prisoners.  They were given the most degrading and dangerous work in the camps and many of the instruments of death and torture used on the Jewish people were first tested and perfected on LGBT people.  If you really want to get into the &#8220;Opression Olympics&#8221; with us, we&#8217;ve got you beat, by several thousand years.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Your group think mentality makes me sick, and you are looking through the wrong end of a pair of binoculars. You have it completely back@$$wards.</p>
<p>Fascism is alive and well, but it’s not the LDS faith that’s practicing it!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>What exactly was Prop 8, then?  Your disconnect from reality makes me sick.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;It is you the bitter population that refuses to respect the tenants of one’s faith,&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The ONLY people who need to respect the tenants of ANY faith are the people OF THAT FAITH.</p>
<p>You want to talk about fascism and you expect other people, non-believers to respect the tenants of your faith?  <b>Pot, this is kettle, you&#8217;re black.</b></p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;and instead seeks to corrupt it… Put the binoculars down, –you don’t know how to use them anyway—and look in the mirror, it is your group think mob that is practicing fascism!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Corrupt it?  By living our lives as we choose?  Have you even looked up freedom?<br />
It&#8217;s really simple, if you and your faith don&#8217;t want to be criticized, then stop trying to force the tenants of your faith on other people who&#8217;s lives and loves are not up for judgment by you or your faith.</p>
<p>If you want respect for your faith, you should try giving respect to those not of your faith.  <b>Here&#8217;s a hint, taking away a civil right is NOT respectful.</b> Marriage equality hurts no one, look at Massachusetts, it still has the lowest divorce rate and not one church has been forced to perform a gay wedding or lost it&#8217;s tax exempt status.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/10/13103/comment-page-1#comment-45720</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Security guards for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cited the “unwanted” behavior of kissing and hugging as the reason why they detained two gay men on church property last week in Salt Lake City, according to the police report for the incident.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12838610

The report, which the Salt Lake Tribune made available online, appeared to contradict statements from the LDS Church in the wake of the detainment and ticketing of Matt Aune and his partner Derek Jones for trespassing on Main Street Plaza near the LDS temple on Thursday. 

LDS spokeswoman Kim Farah had said in a statement that the men were “asked to stop engaging in inappropriate behavior just as any other couple would have been.” She said police were called when the men “became argumentative and used profanity and refused to leave the property.” 

However, the police report does not suggest that church security guards asked Aune and Jones to modify their behavior in order to remain on the plaza. The report says the men were told directly that “they need to leave [church] property for the behavior and that [it] is unwanted.” 

The LGBT community of Salt Lake City organized a kiss-in (pictured) at Temple Square on Sunday in order to protest the detainment of Aune and Jones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Security guards for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cited the “unwanted” behavior of kissing and hugging as the reason why they detained two gay men on church property last week in Salt Lake City, according to the police report for the incident.<br />
<a href="http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12838610" rel="nofollow">http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12838610</a></p>
<p>The report, which the Salt Lake Tribune made available online, appeared to contradict statements from the LDS Church in the wake of the detainment and ticketing of Matt Aune and his partner Derek Jones for trespassing on Main Street Plaza near the LDS temple on Thursday. </p>
<p>LDS spokeswoman Kim Farah had said in a statement that the men were “asked to stop engaging in inappropriate behavior just as any other couple would have been.” She said police were called when the men “became argumentative and used profanity and refused to leave the property.” </p>
<p>However, the police report does not suggest that church security guards asked Aune and Jones to modify their behavior in order to remain on the plaza. The report says the men were told directly that “they need to leave [church] property for the behavior and that [it] is unwanted.” </p>
<p>The LGBT community of Salt Lake City organized a kiss-in (pictured) at Temple Square on Sunday in order to protest the detainment of Aune and Jones.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LDS ... LSD ... I get confused. They both seem to have the same effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LDS &#8230; LSD &#8230; I get confused. They both seem to have the same effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/10/13103/comment-page-1#comment-45536</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I invite you to attend the LDS church and speak to the missionaries if you truly want to know what a Mormon believes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

During the summer and fall of 2008, &quot;missionaries&quot; - of a sort - spoke to me about what the church believes.  This is what they said:

&lt;i&gt;We think that our faith trumps your civil rights.  We believe that we are entitled to tell you how to live.  We believe that we are superior to you and that we are entitled to rights that should be denied to you.

We are so convinced of the rightness of our position that we will fund and staff a campaign to take away rights from you.  We will provide over $20 million dollars and 80-90% of all volunteers to impose our brand of marriage on you, even though we don&#039;t live in your state and are not impacted by these laws.

We will not hesitate to force you to comply with our faith.  We will change your laws, we will run a campaign of lies and deceit, and we will not hesitate to back it up with the force of the police.

We are arrogant.  We are liars.  And we want to do you harm.&lt;/i&gt;

Frankly, LDS, I&#039;ve heard all I need to hear.  And what I heard from those &quot;missionaries&quot; - and from you - does not reflect positively on your religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I invite you to attend the LDS church and speak to the missionaries if you truly want to know what a Mormon believes.</p></blockquote>
<p>During the summer and fall of 2008, &#8220;missionaries&#8221; &#8211; of a sort &#8211; spoke to me about what the church believes.  This is what they said:</p>
<p><i>We think that our faith trumps your civil rights.  We believe that we are entitled to tell you how to live.  We believe that we are superior to you and that we are entitled to rights that should be denied to you.</p>
<p>We are so convinced of the rightness of our position that we will fund and staff a campaign to take away rights from you.  We will provide over $20 million dollars and 80-90% of all volunteers to impose our brand of marriage on you, even though we don&#8217;t live in your state and are not impacted by these laws.</p>
<p>We will not hesitate to force you to comply with our faith.  We will change your laws, we will run a campaign of lies and deceit, and we will not hesitate to back it up with the force of the police.</p>
<p>We are arrogant.  We are liars.  And we want to do you harm.</i></p>
<p>Frankly, LDS, I&#8217;ve heard all I need to hear.  And what I heard from those &#8220;missionaries&#8221; &#8211; and from you &#8211; does not reflect positively on your religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tevia</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/10/13103/comment-page-1#comment-45474</link>
		<dc:creator>Tevia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LDS, i think you meant to say you moved out of the US to Utah territory so you could murder innocent settlers.

read up on the Mountain Meadows massacre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LDS, i think you meant to say you moved out of the US to Utah territory so you could murder innocent settlers.</p>
<p>read up on the Mountain Meadows massacre.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/10/13103/comment-page-1#comment-45468</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LDS:  Since you seem to think so highly of Wikipedia, you might want to review the entry describing the life and career of Joseph Smith, Jr., better know as the first prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I&#039;d like to know your defense of his many well-documented &quot;missteps&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LDS:  Since you seem to think so highly of Wikipedia, you might want to review the entry describing the life and career of Joseph Smith, Jr., better know as the first prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I&#8217;d like to know your defense of his many well-documented &#8220;missteps&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/10/13103/comment-page-1#comment-45466</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LDS, I know more than enough about your church, thank you, I was raised in Salt Lake. And after the United States won the Mexican-American War Utah, Arizona, California and Nevada were ceded by Mexico, so your statement that the U.S. came to you is fallacious, otherwise your elders would never have given up polygamy in exchange for statehood. 

Oh, and learn the difference between there, their and they&#039;re.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LDS, I know more than enough about your church, thank you, I was raised in Salt Lake. And after the United States won the Mexican-American War Utah, Arizona, California and Nevada were ceded by Mexico, so your statement that the U.S. came to you is fallacious, otherwise your elders would never have given up polygamy in exchange for statehood. </p>
<p>Oh, and learn the difference between there, their and they&#8217;re.</p>
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		<title>By: LDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this group needs to a read the book Liberal Fascism.

I am sick and tired of this garbage and defamatory tone towards my faith.

If you don&#039;t like the way it is, then don&#039;t go their!

Stay in your little realm of the world, and be content.  Stop this nonsensical stupidity and realize that in Nazi Germany the same persecution and defamation you are focusing your efforts on today occurred in what eventually became death camps!

Your group think mentality makes me sick, and you are looking through the wrong end of a pair of binoculars.  You have it completely back@$$wards.

Fascism is alive and well, but it&#039;s not the LDS faith that&#039;s practicing it!

It is you the bitter population that refuses to respect the tenants of one’s faith, and instead seeks to corrupt it… Put the binoculars down, --you don’t know how to use them anyway—and look in the mirror, it is your group think mob that is practicing fascism!

If I had a Book of Mormon I wouldn&#039;t throw it at you, I&#039;d sucker punch you in the gut and lay it on your stomach to hug, as you lay crying on the ground AND not because of your orientation but because I&#039;m sick of your stupidity and inflammatory insults!

Move to modern day Mexico, they still have cheap land.  We Mormons have already claimed that former Mexican territory in Utah.  The irony!  We moved out of the U.S. to the Utah territory to get away from this persecution!

Alot of good statehood did for us!  Over 60% of the land in Utah is now federally owned!

If God only requires 10% why does Uncle Sam require sooooo much more.

Move the freak on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this group needs to a read the book Liberal Fascism.</p>
<p>I am sick and tired of this garbage and defamatory tone towards my faith.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like the way it is, then don&#8217;t go their!</p>
<p>Stay in your little realm of the world, and be content.  Stop this nonsensical stupidity and realize that in Nazi Germany the same persecution and defamation you are focusing your efforts on today occurred in what eventually became death camps!</p>
<p>Your group think mentality makes me sick, and you are looking through the wrong end of a pair of binoculars.  You have it completely back@$$wards.</p>
<p>Fascism is alive and well, but it&#8217;s not the LDS faith that&#8217;s practicing it!</p>
<p>It is you the bitter population that refuses to respect the tenants of one’s faith, and instead seeks to corrupt it… Put the binoculars down, &#8211;you don’t know how to use them anyway—and look in the mirror, it is your group think mob that is practicing fascism!</p>
<p>If I had a Book of Mormon I wouldn&#8217;t throw it at you, I&#8217;d sucker punch you in the gut and lay it on your stomach to hug, as you lay crying on the ground AND not because of your orientation but because I&#8217;m sick of your stupidity and inflammatory insults!</p>
<p>Move to modern day Mexico, they still have cheap land.  We Mormons have already claimed that former Mexican territory in Utah.  The irony!  We moved out of the U.S. to the Utah territory to get away from this persecution!</p>
<p>Alot of good statehood did for us!  Over 60% of the land in Utah is now federally owned!</p>
<p>If God only requires 10% why does Uncle Sam require sooooo much more.</p>
<p>Move the freak on!</p>
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		<title>By: LDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I invite you to attend the LDS church and speak to the missionaries if you truly want to know what a Mormon believes.

I doubt this will be printed, but the same persecution which drove us out of the U.S. to Utah  --realize the U.S. came to us-- is still going on today!

Utah is a state, but it&#039;s roots in the LDS faith go beyond statehood.  If you&#039;d like learn more about Utah history please visit Wikipedia and stop sounding like an ignorant, &quot;dolt.&quot;

Whereever you reside may I suggest you look to your own backyard to cleanup... their is plenty to be had!

Yours,

Sick of the garbage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I invite you to attend the LDS church and speak to the missionaries if you truly want to know what a Mormon believes.</p>
<p>I doubt this will be printed, but the same persecution which drove us out of the U.S. to Utah  &#8211;realize the U.S. came to us&#8211; is still going on today!</p>
<p>Utah is a state, but it&#8217;s roots in the LDS faith go beyond statehood.  If you&#8217;d like learn more about Utah history please visit Wikipedia and stop sounding like an ignorant, &#8220;dolt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whereever you reside may I suggest you look to your own backyard to cleanup&#8230; their is plenty to be had!</p>
<p>Yours,</p>
<p>Sick of the garbage!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, you got that right! And the land sale was just the the beginning of this mess. The LDS Church guaranteed to an easement with no restrictions on people&#039;s behavior, but when a man crossed while smoking the Church had a hissy fit and tried to restrict what people could do. When it looked like they&#039;d loose in court they traded worthless land to the city in exchange for the easement.  Two-faced dealing, now where have we seen that before, hmmm?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, you got that right! And the land sale was just the the beginning of this mess. The LDS Church guaranteed to an easement with no restrictions on people&#8217;s behavior, but when a man crossed while smoking the Church had a hissy fit and tried to restrict what people could do. When it looked like they&#8217;d loose in court they traded worthless land to the city in exchange for the easement.  Two-faced dealing, now where have we seen that before, hmmm?????</p>
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