Comments on: Texas Agents “Raid” Dallas Gay Bar http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/11/13112 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:08:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Swampfox http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/11/13112/comment-page-1#comment-44958 Swampfox Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:02:23 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=13112#comment-44958 The rules in South Carolina are just as stupid. I know of someone who moved a wine/liquor store from the front to the back of the shopping center. They had to go through the entire process of getting the new location approved and inspected by the state authorities. The rules in South Carolina are just as stupid. I know of someone who moved a wine/liquor store from the front to the back of the shopping center. They had to go through the entire process of getting the new location approved and inspected by the state authorities.

]]> By: jim http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/11/13112/comment-page-1#comment-44870 jim Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:41:23 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=13112#comment-44870 All of our United States ABC rules are stupid. I dunno what else to say. Thanks. All of our United States ABC rules are stupid. I dunno what else to say. Thanks.

]]> By: david http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/11/13112/comment-page-1#comment-44848 david Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:32:56 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=13112#comment-44848 so, after reading these posts... I shared some of the info with a texan know it all, who said 'that will close them down for 30 days' so, is that possible? or will the bar be closed til a new temp licence can be issued and then replaced when the 'offical one' is recieved? thanks for any answers david so, after reading these posts… I shared some of the info with a texan know it all, who said ‘that will close them down for 30 days’
so, is that possible? or will the bar be closed til a new temp licence can be issued and then replaced when the ‘offical one’ is recieved?

thanks for any answers

david

]]> By: Richard W. Fitch http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/11/13112/comment-page-1#comment-44765 Richard W. Fitch Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:39:55 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=13112#comment-44765 According to info from Dallas' Instant Tea, [ http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/ ], the bar had moved about 100 yds across a parking lot from its previous location. The Grand Opening had been delayed several/a few times to clear up the license issues. At some point prior to the "raid", an underage assistant to TABC had been served. Lots of little bits and pieces that will take time to sift out. Overall, it still sounds like harassment despite their defense of upholding "The Law". According to info from Dallas’ Instant Tea, [ http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/ ], the bar had moved about 100 yds across a parking lot from its previous location. The Grand Opening had been delayed several/a few times to clear up the license issues. At some point prior to the “raid”, an underage assistant to TABC had been served. Lots of little bits and pieces that will take time to sift out. Overall, it still sounds like harassment despite their defense of upholding “The Law”.

]]> By: Dan http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/11/13112/comment-page-1#comment-44759 Dan Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:12:25 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=13112#comment-44759 There were two undercover officers that wore masks to conceal their identities. One wore a black mask and the other wore a red bandanna type mask: only their eyes were visible. One person was taken into custody. I believe that they were arrested for PI (Public Intoxication). All liquor and beer bottles were opened and poured down the drain. There were two undercover officers that wore masks to conceal their identities. One wore a black mask and the other wore a red bandanna type mask: only their eyes were visible.

One person was taken into custody. I believe that they were arrested for PI (Public Intoxication).

All liquor and beer bottles were opened and poured down the drain.

]]> By: Jim Burroway http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/11/13112/comment-page-1#comment-44751 Jim Burroway Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:41:29 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=13112#comment-44751 If it's true that the Dallas Eagle didn't update its license when it moved, that could have been a big deal to the TABC. Indeed, that's a huge deal with most states, as liquor and club licenses are often allocated based on geographic location, among many factors. Some have restrictions concerning proximity to schools, churches, etc. When I was in high school in Ohio, my parents ran a neighborhood grocery store that also sold alcohol. We had to take deliveries on alcoholic beverages through the front door because the back door where we otherwise took deliveries was too close to a church. This would have placed us in technical violation of an Ohio law that barred businesses from selling alcohol within a certain distance of a pre-existing church without the church's consent. The distance was calculated based on the location of the entrance(s) of the business in which alcohol either entered or exited. The church was a Nazarene church, and there's no way they would have waived the rule. Moving the entire business even a few feet without updating the liquor license would have gotten us shut down immediately. It may seem like a tedious technicality, but it can quickly escalate to a big deal. I'm surprised the managers and owners of the Dallas Eagle would have overlooked this. Did they, or was there a problem on the TABC's end? I'm still waiting for more information before jumping to conclusions, but based on prior history this does bear close scrutiny. TABC haven't shown themselves to be at all trustworthy. If it’s true that the Dallas Eagle didn’t update its license when it moved, that could have been a big deal to the TABC. Indeed, that’s a huge deal with most states, as liquor and club licenses are often allocated based on geographic location, among many factors. Some have restrictions concerning proximity to schools, churches, etc.

When I was in high school in Ohio, my parents ran a neighborhood grocery store that also sold alcohol. We had to take deliveries on alcoholic beverages through the front door because the back door where we otherwise took deliveries was too close to a church. This would have placed us in technical violation of an Ohio law that barred businesses from selling alcohol within a certain distance of a pre-existing church without the church’s consent. The distance was calculated based on the location of the entrance(s) of the business in which alcohol either entered or exited. The church was a Nazarene church, and there’s no way they would have waived the rule. Moving the entire business even a few feet without updating the liquor license would have gotten us shut down immediately.

It may seem like a tedious technicality, but it can quickly escalate to a big deal. I’m surprised the managers and owners of the Dallas Eagle would have overlooked this. Did they, or was there a problem on the TABC’s end?

I’m still waiting for more information before jumping to conclusions, but based on prior history this does bear close scrutiny. TABC haven’t shown themselves to be at all trustworthy.

]]> By: Lindoro Almaviva http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/11/13112/comment-page-1#comment-44742 Lindoro Almaviva Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:17:13 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=13112#comment-44742 I wonder how much of this is the TABC using legal tactics for intimidation. This is hard to prove because it sounds as if there were actual discrepancies, but,is the TABC behaving like this with all bars or just the gay ones? Are they this brutal when they do a routine inspection if a ti ti bar, or just those where gay patrons go to? And once again, where is the ACLU and Lambda legal? (At least we know that Lambda is trying to elbow their way to a lawsuit they called "premature and dangerous"? I wonder how much of this is the TABC using legal tactics for intimidation. This is hard to prove because it sounds as if there were actual discrepancies, but,is the TABC behaving like this with all bars or just the gay ones? Are they this brutal when they do a routine inspection if a ti ti bar, or just those where gay patrons go to?

And once again, where is the ACLU and Lambda legal? (At least we know that Lambda is trying to elbow their way to a lawsuit they called “premature and dangerous”?

]]> By: Richard W. Fitch http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/11/13112/comment-page-1#comment-44731 Richard W. Fitch Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:02:40 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=13112#comment-44731 Looks like a suspension of business due to a technicality. The bar had just moved into a new building on the other side of the parking lot from the old location. The legal address was no longer correct. Did they need to be shutdown -or- should they have been given a warning/citation to correct the license within [X] hours?? Another DFW gay bar under the wrath of TABC. Looks like a suspension of business due to a technicality. The bar had just moved into a new building on the other side of the parking lot from the old location. The legal address was no longer correct. Did they need to be shutdown -or- should they have been given a warning/citation to correct the license within [X] hours?? Another DFW gay bar under the wrath of TABC.

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