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	<title>Comments on: Follow Up on Brett Vanasdlen</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/16/13283/comment-page-1#comment-46187</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to HS with this guy.  You can see the top of Minooka (IL) and our school colors on his shirt.  He was a couple of years younger than me so I was never bothered by him.  Crazy.

I also went to U of I and I remember when he did that because I had jusy come out and my parents tried to use violence against gays as a way to scare me back in.

I&#039;m sure the actual story is a combo of both of their accounts.  I&#039;m sure VanAsdlen said a different word than &quot;guys&quot; in &quot;Look at those two guys holding hands.&quot;  It probably rhymed with hags.  That word was thrown around a lot in my small farm town.  I was also one of the first guys in my HS (and one of the only ones) to come out (I came out in college).

Also the Velasco probably did respond with not only &quot;What an ignorant thing to say&quot; but also &quot;What did you say!?&quot; a bit angrily and honestly who wouldn&#039;t.

Regardless there was most likely nothing there to provoke VanAsdlen to violence except for the fact he knew he could win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to HS with this guy.  You can see the top of Minooka (IL) and our school colors on his shirt.  He was a couple of years younger than me so I was never bothered by him.  Crazy.</p>
<p>I also went to U of I and I remember when he did that because I had jusy come out and my parents tried to use violence against gays as a way to scare me back in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the actual story is a combo of both of their accounts.  I&#8217;m sure VanAsdlen said a different word than &#8220;guys&#8221; in &#8220;Look at those two guys holding hands.&#8221;  It probably rhymed with hags.  That word was thrown around a lot in my small farm town.  I was also one of the first guys in my HS (and one of the only ones) to come out (I came out in college).</p>
<p>Also the Velasco probably did respond with not only &#8220;What an ignorant thing to say&#8221; but also &#8220;What did you say!?&#8221; a bit angrily and honestly who wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Regardless there was most likely nothing there to provoke VanAsdlen to violence except for the fact he knew he could win.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It only takes a moment to realize how relevant Godwin&#039;s Law is to the nature of cybergroups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It only takes a moment to realize how relevant Godwin&#8217;s Law is to the nature of cybergroups.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin&#039;s_law&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Godwin&#039;s Law&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law" rel="nofollow">Godwin&#8217;s Law</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/16/13283/comment-page-1#comment-46022</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2008/04/16/champaign_man_faces_hatecrime_charge_in&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;News-Gazette&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Steven Velasquez, 20, of Urbana, said he was walking with friends near the University of Illinois campus over the weekend when they were accosted by a man who yelled slurs about their sexual orientation and pushed him.

&quot;He said, &#039;Get out of here,&#039;&quot; and used an epithet, Velasquez said. He said the man also yelled, &quot;You don&#039;t belong here,&quot; and other slurs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2008/04/16/champaign_man_faces_hatecrime_charge_in" rel="nofollow">News-Gazette</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Steven Velasquez, 20, of Urbana, said he was walking with friends near the University of Illinois campus over the weekend when they were accosted by a man who yelled slurs about their sexual orientation and pushed him.</p>
<p>&#8220;He said, &#8216;Get out of here,&#8217;&#8221; and used an epithet, Velasquez said. He said the man also yelled, &#8220;You don&#8217;t belong here,&#8221; and other slurs.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, I&#039;m not sure what part of Steve&#039;s comment you feel deserves little credence, but it is certainly true that he did reference his Christianity a number of times in Mein Kampf:


http://nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, I&#8217;m not sure what part of Steve&#8217;s comment you feel deserves little credence, but it is certainly true that he did reference his Christianity a number of times in Mein Kampf:</p>
<p><a href="http://nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm" rel="nofollow">http://nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Smith,

You may want to consider that comments that prove Godwin&#039;s Law tend to be given very little credence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Smith,</p>
<p>You may want to consider that comments that prove Godwin&#8217;s Law tend to be given very little credence.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all in the name of a hatefilled interpretation of god.

By the same people who gave the world the hatred of the Jews, Jesus own people.  And hitler used that hatred to gain election in germany.  The rest is history.  BTW, hiter was a catholic, who quite a few times in his book Mein Kampf, talks about God and Providence.  (catholic church)

And by the same people who were the bedrock of slavery and creators of segregation. (white southern baptists and independent right wing christians)

The battle against religious terrorism begins here at home.  9/11 was a horendous act by the Islamic extremists who believe in the same God, but by a slightly different name. (Allah - Yehovah - Jehovah - yiyaw (hebrew name transliterated, never said, replaced by adonoi (our Lord).  Christ - Czar, Kaiser, King, Cesar, etc - all the same word in different languages.  but the real horrendous act is eg the 3000 gay kid people suicided to death EVERY YEAR by hate filled control freak religion.  And all the other suffering these people create to propagate their Jesus agenda.  For which Jesus is probably puking, and God will reward them as they really deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all in the name of a hatefilled interpretation of god.</p>
<p>By the same people who gave the world the hatred of the Jews, Jesus own people.  And hitler used that hatred to gain election in germany.  The rest is history.  BTW, hiter was a catholic, who quite a few times in his book Mein Kampf, talks about God and Providence.  (catholic church)</p>
<p>And by the same people who were the bedrock of slavery and creators of segregation. (white southern baptists and independent right wing christians)</p>
<p>The battle against religious terrorism begins here at home.  9/11 was a horendous act by the Islamic extremists who believe in the same God, but by a slightly different name. (Allah &#8211; Yehovah &#8211; Jehovah &#8211; yiyaw (hebrew name transliterated, never said, replaced by adonoi (our Lord).  Christ &#8211; Czar, Kaiser, King, Cesar, etc &#8211; all the same word in different languages.  but the real horrendous act is eg the 3000 gay kid people suicided to death EVERY YEAR by hate filled control freak religion.  And all the other suffering these people create to propagate their Jesus agenda.  For which Jesus is probably puking, and God will reward them as they really deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: Quo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/16/13283/comment-page-1#comment-45957</link>
		<dc:creator>Quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

Which news report? Could you provide a link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>Which news report? Could you provide a link?</p>
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		<title>By: timothy kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>timothy kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo,

My source is news reports of what Vesasquez said about the event. Your source is LaBarbra repeating what Ted Pike said based on his interview of Vanadslen&#039;s mother.

You may choose to believe what you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo,</p>
<p>My source is news reports of what Vesasquez said about the event. Your source is LaBarbra repeating what Ted Pike said based on his interview of Vanadslen&#8217;s mother.</p>
<p>You may choose to believe what you like.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you have some reason for assuming your source is accurate and some reason for assuming BTB is not, please share it.&quot;

The reason is obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you have some reason for assuming your source is accurate and some reason for assuming BTB is not, please share it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reason is obvious.</p>
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