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	<title>Comments on: 500 Protest Charlotte Pride, Police Report No Problems</title>
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		<title>By: The Lauderdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Lauderdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BobbiCW:

Funny - what I thought of was the pop culture &quot;redshirt&quot; trope (which owes its name to &quot;Star Trek).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_%28character%29
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Redshirt

In this case, though, nobody died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BobbiCW:</p>
<p>Funny &#8211; what I thought of was the pop culture &#8220;redshirt&#8221; trope (which owes its name to &#8220;Star Trek).</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_%28character%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_%28character%29</a><br />
<a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Redshirt" rel="nofollow">http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Redshirt</a></p>
<p>In this case, though, nobody died.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... it would have been an interesting thing to have some MCC or other gay Christian group present to pray for the &quot;God has a better way&quot; group. Perhaps right across the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; it would have been an interesting thing to have some MCC or other gay Christian group present to pray for the &#8220;God has a better way&#8221; group. Perhaps right across the street.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brown wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Our goal was 1,000, which we knew was lofty, but based on the excitement generated by the event and the many excellent conversations our folks had with attendees, we have great expectation for next year’s event. In any case, to our knowledge, this was far and away the biggest thing of its kind in conjunction with any gay pride event anywhere before, and since it was backed by weeks of prayer and fasting, we are trusting God for excellent long-term fruit to come out of this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Mr. Brown, could you be any more delusional? I particularly enjoyed the &quot;prayer and fasting&quot; part. Is God more inclined to listen when you fast? If so, why? Haven&#039;t Christians been praying about the homo problem for at least 40 years? What will it take for you to realize that  there is probably no one listening? And if someone is listening, isn&#039;t it obvious that he/she doesn&#039;t agree with you, or doesn&#039;t care, or is powerless to intervene?

And you seriously &quot;trusting God for excellent long-term fruit?&quot; What has God been doing since Stonewall in 1969? Don&#039;t you see the clear trend? We are winning by a landslide despite your pathetic efforts. I am a fairly excellent long-term fruit. I came out in 1969, and this week my partner and I are celebrating our 28th anniversary. So I&#039;ve pretty much seen it all.

If there were not so many ignorant gullible people inclined to take you seriously, you would be dismissed as a silly, pompous, superstitious, ignorant, bigoted jackass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Our goal was 1,000, which we knew was lofty, but based on the excitement generated by the event and the many excellent conversations our folks had with attendees, we have great expectation for next year’s event. In any case, to our knowledge, this was far and away the biggest thing of its kind in conjunction with any gay pride event anywhere before, and since it was backed by weeks of prayer and fasting, we are trusting God for excellent long-term fruit to come out of this.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mr. Brown, could you be any more delusional? I particularly enjoyed the &#8220;prayer and fasting&#8221; part. Is God more inclined to listen when you fast? If so, why? Haven&#8217;t Christians been praying about the homo problem for at least 40 years? What will it take for you to realize that  there is probably no one listening? And if someone is listening, isn&#8217;t it obvious that he/she doesn&#8217;t agree with you, or doesn&#8217;t care, or is powerless to intervene?</p>
<p>And you seriously &#8220;trusting God for excellent long-term fruit?&#8221; What has God been doing since Stonewall in 1969? Don&#8217;t you see the clear trend? We are winning by a landslide despite your pathetic efforts. I am a fairly excellent long-term fruit. I came out in 1969, and this week my partner and I are celebrating our 28th anniversary. So I&#8217;ve pretty much seen it all.</p>
<p>If there were not so many ignorant gullible people inclined to take you seriously, you would be dismissed as a silly, pompous, superstitious, ignorant, bigoted jackass.</p>
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		<title>By: Emproph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emproph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Re: “God has a better way”&lt;/b&gt;

From Dr. Brown&#039;s &quot;Line of Fire&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/2009/06/12/june-12-2009/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;radio show, June 12, 2009&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/brown_transcript.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michael Brown&lt;/a&gt;: Ok, so last night, I’m at Grand Valley State University, I’m not giving a presentation, I’m not speaking publicly, like I’m used to doing, I’m not even sitting on the panel of, five. One of the panel members was a local pastor, very liberal pastor, seemed like a decent guy, as human beings go, but said [that] we pick a few verses in the Bible against homosexuality and ignore all the other verses about love, etc., and he said there’s an eighty plus year old woman in his congregation, prudish type, and he said she finally got it, you know, how can you tell us some young man, you can never have sex again the rest of your life, which of course, theoretically you’d be telling a homosexual, &lt;b&gt;if you can’t change, you have to be celibate your entire life&lt;/b&gt;, that’s rough. Picture telling that to a heterosexual, that’s a tough pill to swallow. Eighteen-nineteen year old person---you’re going to follow Jesus, going to have to be celibate the rest of your life, unless you change. That’s not easy, that’s the very kind of thing we need to be sensitive to. No we don’t change our position, but it should adjust our heart-attitude, shouldn’t it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Would that be the extent of your “better way,” Dr. Brown?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Re: “God has a better way”</b></p>
<p>From Dr. Brown&#8217;s &#8220;Line of Fire&#8221; <a href="http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/2009/06/12/june-12-2009/" rel="nofollow">radio show, June 12, 2009</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/brown_transcript.pdf" rel="nofollow">Michael Brown</a>: Ok, so last night, I’m at Grand Valley State University, I’m not giving a presentation, I’m not speaking publicly, like I’m used to doing, I’m not even sitting on the panel of, five. One of the panel members was a local pastor, very liberal pastor, seemed like a decent guy, as human beings go, but said [that] we pick a few verses in the Bible against homosexuality and ignore all the other verses about love, etc., and he said there’s an eighty plus year old woman in his congregation, prudish type, and he said she finally got it, you know, how can you tell us some young man, you can never have sex again the rest of your life, which of course, theoretically you’d be telling a homosexual, <b>if you can’t change, you have to be celibate your entire life</b>, that’s rough. Picture telling that to a heterosexual, that’s a tough pill to swallow. Eighteen-nineteen year old person&#8212;you’re going to follow Jesus, going to have to be celibate the rest of your life, unless you change. That’s not easy, that’s the very kind of thing we need to be sensitive to. No we don’t change our position, but it should adjust our heart-attitude, shouldn’t it?</p></blockquote>
<p>Would that be the extent of your “better way,” Dr. Brown?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>beautifully put, timothy. I would add to it just seven words:

We are too respectful of the rights of others to live as they please and are more interested in making peace than declaring “culture war”, and declaring ourselves victims as we attack. And we’re just a heck of a lot classier as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beautifully put, timothy. I would add to it just seven words:</p>
<p>We are too respectful of the rights of others to live as they please and are more interested in making peace than declaring “culture war”, and declaring ourselves victims as we attack. And we’re just a heck of a lot classier as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ravenbiker,

Of course we CAN protest their revival centers, but we don&#039;t.  

We are too respectful of the rights of others to live as they please and are more interested in making peace than declaring &quot;culture war&quot;.  And we&#039;re just a heck of a lot classier as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ravenbiker,</p>
<p>Of course we CAN protest their revival centers, but we don&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>We are too respectful of the rights of others to live as they please and are more interested in making peace than declaring &#8220;culture war&#8221;.  And we&#8217;re just a heck of a lot classier as well.</p>
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		<title>By: ravenbiker</title>
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		<dc:creator>ravenbiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand is why those religious fanatics are allowed to picked a gay pride celebration and gays can&#039;t protest across the street from their revival centers?

If I were there, I would have gone nuts if any of them approached me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is why those religious fanatics are allowed to picked a gay pride celebration and gays can&#8217;t protest across the street from their revival centers?</p>
<p>If I were there, I would have gone nuts if any of them approached me!</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reasonrocks, extinction burst- just the phrase i&#039;ve been looking for in other conversations! i didn&#039;t know there was an actual term, but (and i hope we&#039;re talking about the same thing) I was discussing with others how when a group&#039;s numbers begin to dwindle and they know they&#039;re losing they kind of kick and scream more with fanatics coming out of the wood work.. but it&#039;s dying cries at best. I&#039;ll look up the term now! Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reasonrocks, extinction burst- just the phrase i&#8217;ve been looking for in other conversations! i didn&#8217;t know there was an actual term, but (and i hope we&#8217;re talking about the same thing) I was discussing with others how when a group&#8217;s numbers begin to dwindle and they know they&#8217;re losing they kind of kick and scream more with fanatics coming out of the wood work.. but it&#8217;s dying cries at best. I&#8217;ll look up the term now! Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also wanted to add that, if there were 500, they must have come and gone throughout the day because when I saw them I&#039;d say 200 at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wanted to add that, if there were 500, they must have come and gone throughout the day because when I saw them I&#8217;d say 200 at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the organizer for the Greensboro LGBT allies meetup through meetup.com and I was at the pride day festival in Charlotte this weekend. 

I didn&#039;t expect the protesters and when I saw them I burst out laughing- after all, I&#039;d seen people like this online, but never in real life (I guess that&#039;s a blessing) 

We were told they weren&#039;t allowed in the pride area, but the same police who told us that didn&#039;t blink an eye when at least 50 of them began to stroll over mid afternoon. 

I spoke with counter protesters, who held signs like &quot;there is no better way than being human&quot;. &quot;Were they preaching God&#039;s love?&quot; I asked. &quot;Love?&quot; one of the protesters replied, &quot;They were preaching something, but it wasn&#039;t love&quot;. The group told me they had been harassed several times already. 

I took some pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/faerykisses/sets/72157621843025538/

Feel free to use them for blogging or whatever (pro gay rights ONLY, I don&#039;t want my pictures showing up on hate sites) and please send me a link to where you used them either with flickr mail or in the comments of any of the pictures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the organizer for the Greensboro LGBT allies meetup through meetup.com and I was at the pride day festival in Charlotte this weekend. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t expect the protesters and when I saw them I burst out laughing- after all, I&#8217;d seen people like this online, but never in real life (I guess that&#8217;s a blessing) </p>
<p>We were told they weren&#8217;t allowed in the pride area, but the same police who told us that didn&#8217;t blink an eye when at least 50 of them began to stroll over mid afternoon. </p>
<p>I spoke with counter protesters, who held signs like &#8220;there is no better way than being human&#8221;. &#8220;Were they preaching God&#8217;s love?&#8221; I asked. &#8220;Love?&#8221; one of the protesters replied, &#8220;They were preaching something, but it wasn&#8217;t love&#8221;. The group told me they had been harassed several times already. </p>
<p>I took some pictures here: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/faerykisses/sets/72157621843025538/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/faerykisses/sets/72157621843025538/</a></p>
<p>Feel free to use them for blogging or whatever (pro gay rights ONLY, I don&#8217;t want my pictures showing up on hate sites) and please send me a link to where you used them either with flickr mail or in the comments of any of the pictures.</p>
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