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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have friends who received death threats.&quot;

   Dr. Brown, did they contact the police, did they KEEP the evidence that such a thing occurred, you know like a recording (if it was a message left on a phone or machine), is there some recognition of or identification of the person who made such a threat? 
Are there witnesses? Was that person a man or woman, HTF do you KNOW those that made the threat were gay?

      I hear the opposition say that, with NO proof they even filed a police report, or that the police were able to verify this information TO THE PRESS.

  Because as sure as we&#039;re all sitting here, the press would know about it, wouldn&#039;t they Dr. Brown?

     When the UCC in Knoxville, TN...the latest shooting in a church just prior to the shooting death of Dr. Tiller, the motive was ANTI GAY hatred towards an accepting church.
The killer was well known for being anti gay, as well as having an arsenal of guns.

     From where I&#039;m sitting with ALL my &#039;radical homosexual activist friends&#039;, and they are MANY and have been for a LONG, LONG time...no one, nor our associates has done something so serious and illegal.

 Look around you Dr. Brown, who is actually DEAD?
Who is actually threatened with anything from emotional blackmail as children, to assault in school to violent attacks while doing anything a citizen should be able to do freely?

     Threatened? Really? Really?
WE have the proof regarding a LOT more than death threats, Dr. Brown.
   You better BRING the evidence bub, you better give any one of us the proof that the police can trace the threat and assessed it as CREDIBLE.

     When it&#039;s all said and done, gay folks by and large don&#039;t DO death threats. Aren&#039;t so COWARDLY and without righteous rage and indignation. In Israel, in a TX bar open only a few weeks, in Knoxville, TN when any one of a gay person ANYWHERE is actually killed, or is brutalized in the street (even by police) or their own homes...we MARCH in peace, we WELCOME non violence and don&#039;t plot to respond IN KIND.
 Those of us who support gay equality are NOT people of empty rhetoric and invalid accusations, Dr. Brown.

    I cannot and will not believe that you said what you for any other reason than to portray gay people in an inflammatory way.
As IF the violence against even gay CHILDREN isn&#039;t bad enough.
You are only inviting MORE with such an accusation.

    You. Are. Full. Of. Sh*t.
 So STUFF your phony condolences. You didn&#039;t mean a word of it.

  BTW, I work in law enforcement, and I know exactly how the police deals with death threats.
And false reports of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have friends who received death threats.&#8221;</p>
<p>   Dr. Brown, did they contact the police, did they KEEP the evidence that such a thing occurred, you know like a recording (if it was a message left on a phone or machine), is there some recognition of or identification of the person who made such a threat?<br />
Are there witnesses? Was that person a man or woman, HTF do you KNOW those that made the threat were gay?</p>
<p>      I hear the opposition say that, with NO proof they even filed a police report, or that the police were able to verify this information TO THE PRESS.</p>
<p>  Because as sure as we&#8217;re all sitting here, the press would know about it, wouldn&#8217;t they Dr. Brown?</p>
<p>     When the UCC in Knoxville, TN&#8230;the latest shooting in a church just prior to the shooting death of Dr. Tiller, the motive was ANTI GAY hatred towards an accepting church.<br />
The killer was well known for being anti gay, as well as having an arsenal of guns.</p>
<p>     From where I&#8217;m sitting with ALL my &#8216;radical homosexual activist friends&#8217;, and they are MANY and have been for a LONG, LONG time&#8230;no one, nor our associates has done something so serious and illegal.</p>
<p> Look around you Dr. Brown, who is actually DEAD?<br />
Who is actually threatened with anything from emotional blackmail as children, to assault in school to violent attacks while doing anything a citizen should be able to do freely?</p>
<p>     Threatened? Really? Really?<br />
WE have the proof regarding a LOT more than death threats, Dr. Brown.<br />
   You better BRING the evidence bub, you better give any one of us the proof that the police can trace the threat and assessed it as CREDIBLE.</p>
<p>     When it&#8217;s all said and done, gay folks by and large don&#8217;t DO death threats. Aren&#8217;t so COWARDLY and without righteous rage and indignation. In Israel, in a TX bar open only a few weeks, in Knoxville, TN when any one of a gay person ANYWHERE is actually killed, or is brutalized in the street (even by police) or their own homes&#8230;we MARCH in peace, we WELCOME non violence and don&#8217;t plot to respond IN KIND.<br />
 Those of us who support gay equality are NOT people of empty rhetoric and invalid accusations, Dr. Brown.</p>
<p>    I cannot and will not believe that you said what you for any other reason than to portray gay people in an inflammatory way.<br />
As IF the violence against even gay CHILDREN isn&#8217;t bad enough.<br />
You are only inviting MORE with such an accusation.</p>
<p>    You. Are. Full. Of. Sh*t.<br />
 So STUFF your phony condolences. You didn&#8217;t mean a word of it.</p>
<p>  BTW, I work in law enforcement, and I know exactly how the police deals with death threats.<br />
And false reports of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Emproph</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/04/13896/comment-page-1#comment-47182</link>
		<dc:creator>Emproph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;--Dr. Michael Brown… …has &quot;categorically and unequivocally denounced&quot; the murderous shootings

--he was &quot;shocked and saddened&quot; to hear the news of the killings

--&quot;…this has all the markings of an act of raw hatred, and as such it must be utterly renounced.”

--“Whatever differences any of us may have… …we must maintain those differences with civility and respect.”

--“…it behooves us as leaders to set an example of civility and respect in the midst of our differences…”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And from &lt;a href=&quot;http://askdrbrown.org//media/albums/COC/Articles/Diversity%20or%20Perversity.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the other side of his mouth&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In any debate over “gay rights,” the word “diversity” is sure to occur, and over the last decade, the word has been used brilliantly by gay activists and educators. After all, who would oppose diversity? 
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Recent developments in the Netherlands confirm the semantic association between diversity and perversity, 
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Specifically, the NVD [Neighborly Love (or, Charity), Freedom, and Diversity] wants to allow “individuals, from the age of 12, to vote, have sex, gamble, choose their place of residence, and use soft drugs. . . . They also intend to eliminate marriage in the law, permit public nudity anywhere . . . and to legalize private use of child pornography and allow non-violent pornography to be screened on daytime television” (as cited in Wikipedia). They also want to encourage bestiality, as long as it does not result in the “sexual mistreatment” of animals. All this in the name of maximizing diversity! One must ask again: Isn’t this perversity rather than diversity? 
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Let us learn a lesson from the Netherlands: Once “diversity” is associated with sexual behavior the sky – or, more accurately – the gutter is the limit. Now would be a good time to redefine our terms, and the sooner we desexualize “diversity,” the better. This is now a term behind which homosexual activism can no longer hide.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Just one of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://coalitionofconscience.askdrbrown.org/resources/articles.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;many&lt;/a&gt; “civil” and “respectful” articles on his Coalition of Conscience website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8211;Dr. Michael Brown… …has &#8220;categorically and unequivocally denounced&#8221; the murderous shootings</p>
<p>&#8211;he was &#8220;shocked and saddened&#8221; to hear the news of the killings</p>
<p>&#8211;&#8221;…this has all the markings of an act of raw hatred, and as such it must be utterly renounced.”</p>
<p>&#8211;“Whatever differences any of us may have… …we must maintain those differences with civility and respect.”</p>
<p>&#8211;“…it behooves us as leaders to set an example of civility and respect in the midst of our differences…”</p></blockquote>
<p>And from <a href="http://askdrbrown.org//media/albums/COC/Articles/Diversity%20or%20Perversity.pdf" rel="nofollow">the other side of his mouth</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>In any debate over “gay rights,” the word “diversity” is sure to occur, and over the last decade, the word has been used brilliantly by gay activists and educators. After all, who would oppose diversity?<br />
&#8212;<br />
Recent developments in the Netherlands confirm the semantic association between diversity and perversity,<br />
&#8212;<br />
Specifically, the NVD [Neighborly Love (or, Charity), Freedom, and Diversity] wants to allow “individuals, from the age of 12, to vote, have sex, gamble, choose their place of residence, and use soft drugs. . . . They also intend to eliminate marriage in the law, permit public nudity anywhere . . . and to legalize private use of child pornography and allow non-violent pornography to be screened on daytime television” (as cited in Wikipedia). They also want to encourage bestiality, as long as it does not result in the “sexual mistreatment” of animals. All this in the name of maximizing diversity! One must ask again: Isn’t this perversity rather than diversity?<br />
&#8212;<br />
Let us learn a lesson from the Netherlands: Once “diversity” is associated with sexual behavior the sky – or, more accurately – the gutter is the limit. Now would be a good time to redefine our terms, and the sooner we desexualize “diversity,” the better. This is now a term behind which homosexual activism can no longer hide.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just one of the <a href="http://coalitionofconscience.askdrbrown.org/resources/articles.php" rel="nofollow">many</a> “civil” and “respectful” articles on his Coalition of Conscience website.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/04/13896/comment-page-1#comment-47172</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I doubt the victims of this attack would appreciate your &quot;blast away&quot; remark.  What a despicably callous thing to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I doubt the victims of this attack would appreciate your &#8220;blast away&#8221; remark.  What a despicably callous thing to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Brown, let&#039;s put your marriage and civil rights to a vote and see how respected you feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Brown, let&#8217;s put your marriage and civil rights to a vote and see how respected you feel.</p>
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		<title>By: Burr</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/04/13896/comment-page-1#comment-47169</link>
		<dc:creator>Burr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually your comments don&#039;t make sense because there hasn&#039;t been any prominent instance of a homosexual shooting up an anti-gay church. There&#039;s simply no equivalence between idle threats and actual violence.

Thanks for playing.

I&#039;m still praying for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually your comments don&#8217;t make sense because there hasn&#8217;t been any prominent instance of a homosexual shooting up an anti-gay church. There&#8217;s simply no equivalence between idle threats and actual violence.</p>
<p>Thanks for playing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still praying for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Michael L. Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Michael L. Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please take a moment and read the entire news release, linked in the article by Jim.

My purpose in making the statement was twofold (but there were no qualifiers). 

First, to categorically renounce the shootings, since I utterly deplore violence, all the more when it is in the name of religion. (Of course, we still don&#039;t know who committed the horrific crime and why, but I wanted to be pro-active in the event that this was a religiously-motivated crime).

Second, against this backdrop, to say that I know there are crazy people in all religions and on both sides of LGBT issues, and that&#039;s why it is imperative for us to sit down together and talk about differences face to face with civility and respect, setting an anti-violent example. Without my references to threats coming our way, my comments would have made less sense.

I appreciate Jim acknowledging my news release, and I&#039;d encourage you to read it for yourselves. Having done that, feel free to blast away again. At least I&#039;ll know that you&#039;re doing it in proper context. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please take a moment and read the entire news release, linked in the article by Jim.</p>
<p>My purpose in making the statement was twofold (but there were no qualifiers). </p>
<p>First, to categorically renounce the shootings, since I utterly deplore violence, all the more when it is in the name of religion. (Of course, we still don&#8217;t know who committed the horrific crime and why, but I wanted to be pro-active in the event that this was a religiously-motivated crime).</p>
<p>Second, against this backdrop, to say that I know there are crazy people in all religions and on both sides of LGBT issues, and that&#8217;s why it is imperative for us to sit down together and talk about differences face to face with civility and respect, setting an anti-violent example. Without my references to threats coming our way, my comments would have made less sense.</p>
<p>I appreciate Jim acknowledging my news release, and I&#8217;d encourage you to read it for yourselves. Having done that, feel free to blast away again. At least I&#8217;ll know that you&#8217;re doing it in proper context. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When it comes with such a qualifier - you may as well not bother.&quot;

Exactly.  And even if Michael Brown&#039;s claims about death threats can be substantiated, then 1) it&#039;s still not equivalent to the tragedy that occurred, despite Brown&#039;s implication, and 2) Brown&#039;s rhetorical claim is still obviously a deliberate attempt to obscure the fact that the LGBT community is still the marginalized minority in this struggle, while his side can claim all the cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When it comes with such a qualifier &#8211; you may as well not bother.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly.  And even if Michael Brown&#8217;s claims about death threats can be substantiated, then 1) it&#8217;s still not equivalent to the tragedy that occurred, despite Brown&#8217;s implication, and 2) Brown&#8217;s rhetorical claim is still obviously a deliberate attempt to obscure the fact that the LGBT community is still the marginalized minority in this struggle, while his side can claim all the cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Death threats, in our digital, instant messaging age, can be easily traced. The police have ample ways, when someone is confronted with such a serious thing, to preserve the threat, if it&#039;s audio, and give the recording to authorities.

  Authorities CAN verify they have been notified or have evidence, and those threatened can access the media to report if, if it&#039;s valid.

 Since no investigation, no reporting in the media, no particular and specific persons have been found to have issued the death threats, we can assume that these allegations are bullsh*t.

   Bull. Sh*t.

  But it makes good fear fodder whenever anyone is talking about someone gay.

 BTW, the killings of these teens in Tel Aviv has been addressed by rallies, marches. All peaceful and legal, not RIOTS or any kind of violence.

 Which has been the typical response of gay people worldwide.

   All things considered, this is remarkable and potent.
And what makes the smear that gay people are threatening directly or indirectly, even in revenge for such acts as this, all the more hollow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Death threats, in our digital, instant messaging age, can be easily traced. The police have ample ways, when someone is confronted with such a serious thing, to preserve the threat, if it&#8217;s audio, and give the recording to authorities.</p>
<p>  Authorities CAN verify they have been notified or have evidence, and those threatened can access the media to report if, if it&#8217;s valid.</p>
<p> Since no investigation, no reporting in the media, no particular and specific persons have been found to have issued the death threats, we can assume that these allegations are bullsh*t.</p>
<p>   Bull. Sh*t.</p>
<p>  But it makes good fear fodder whenever anyone is talking about someone gay.</p>
<p> BTW, the killings of these teens in Tel Aviv has been addressed by rallies, marches. All peaceful and legal, not RIOTS or any kind of violence.</p>
<p> Which has been the typical response of gay people worldwide.</p>
<p>   All things considered, this is remarkable and potent.<br />
And what makes the smear that gay people are threatening directly or indirectly, even in revenge for such acts as this, all the more hollow.</p>
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		<title>By: AdrianT</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdrianT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes with such a qualifier - you may as well not bother. It means nothing to those whose loved ones are dead or critically injured. 

It&#039;s a bit like the reactions from religious leaders who could could not unequivocally condemn the 9/11 terrorist attacks or the 7/7/ London bombings without some reference to Palestine or Afghanistan. 

I do not recall any gay militant machine gunning anyone over Prop 8 - I think an old lady&#039;s sponge cross was trampled on and a few bibles were thrown around in the castro. Hardly compares, does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes with such a qualifier &#8211; you may as well not bother. It means nothing to those whose loved ones are dead or critically injured. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit like the reactions from religious leaders who could could not unequivocally condemn the 9/11 terrorist attacks or the 7/7/ London bombings without some reference to Palestine or Afghanistan. </p>
<p>I do not recall any gay militant machine gunning anyone over Prop 8 &#8211; I think an old lady&#8217;s sponge cross was trampled on and a few bibles were thrown around in the castro. Hardly compares, does it?</p>
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		<title>By: JJQR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care what anybody from North Carolina has to say anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care what anybody from North Carolina has to say anyway.</p>
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