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	<title>Comments on: APA Passes Resolution Against Ex-Gay Therapy, Finds &#8220;No Evidence&#8221; Change Therapy Works</title>
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		<title>By: QueerPHC calls out Patrick Henry College anti-gay policies &#171; Politically Inclined</title>
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		<dc:creator>QueerPHC calls out Patrick Henry College anti-gay policies &#171; Politically Inclined</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] place at home or in being sent to therapists who promise to make them straight, despite widespread rejection and debunking of these [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary S,

Can you please list a few of those studies which were ignored.  Please include only those which are peer-reviewed English-language studies published since 1960.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary S,</p>
<p>Can you please list a few of those studies which were ignored.  Please include only those which are peer-reviewed English-language studies published since 1960.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken in Riverside said &quot;Priya, in this one thread you have called Quo a fool, BeckySue a liar and insinuated that Timothy’s value system/religion is the result of indoctrination and irrationality.&quot;.

Okay, I&#039;ll accept the criticism for telling Quo, &quot;don&#039;t be a fool&quot;.  However, Beckysue is a liar and it is a mighty rare religious person that didn&#039;t blindly accept their religion as a child when they were too young to rationally consider the evidence for it.  If you think I&#039;m going to deny or hide the truth you can forget it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken in Riverside said &#8220;Priya, in this one thread you have called Quo a fool, BeckySue a liar and insinuated that Timothy’s value system/religion is the result of indoctrination and irrationality.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll accept the criticism for telling Quo, &#8220;don&#8217;t be a fool&#8221;.  However, Beckysue is a liar and it is a mighty rare religious person that didn&#8217;t blindly accept their religion as a child when they were too young to rationally consider the evidence for it.  If you think I&#8217;m going to deny or hide the truth you can forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary S,

How do you know that any of the APA task force members are gay?  Could you provide some evidence, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary S,</p>
<p>How do you know that any of the APA task force members are gay?  Could you provide some evidence, please?</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary S, I&#039;m intrigued by your reference to &quot;gender affirming therapy&quot;. What is that, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary S, I&#8217;m intrigued by your reference to &#8220;gender affirming therapy&#8221;. What is that, please?</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...they rejected hundreds of studies that disagreed with the opinion the six hold. &lt;i&gt;---Mary S.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, 100&#039;s of studies with little or no scientific merit, and those that were to tangential to make sense in the context of the evaluation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;they rejected hundreds of studies that disagreed with the opinion the six hold. <i>&#8212;Mary S.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, 100&#8242;s of studies with little or no scientific merit, and those that were to tangential to make sense in the context of the evaluation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s shed some light on this research.  The APA intentionally and deliberately rejected as committee members APA members holding &#039;a different view&#039; of gender affirming therapy.  The committee consisted of six individuals who are gay or gay activists.  Of course, they found &#039;little evidence that this therapy is effective&#039; -- they rejected hundreds of studies that disagreed with the opinion the six hold.

Let&#039;s get real here -- is this research really authentic – isn’t having six gay or gay agenda activists discount change therapy like me inviting 5 girl friends to lunch so we can discuss how we all successfully avoided prostate cancer!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s shed some light on this research.  The APA intentionally and deliberately rejected as committee members APA members holding &#8216;a different view&#8217; of gender affirming therapy.  The committee consisted of six individuals who are gay or gay activists.  Of course, they found &#8216;little evidence that this therapy is effective&#8217; &#8212; they rejected hundreds of studies that disagreed with the opinion the six hold.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get real here &#8212; is this research really authentic – isn’t having six gay or gay agenda activists discount change therapy like me inviting 5 girl friends to lunch so we can discuss how we all successfully avoided prostate cancer!!!</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo,

Let me just say a few things. People can get very heated on here sometimes, and as a result the “decencies of debate” are not always observed. 

I do find it depressing, however, that you seem to be intent on making the same mistakes that I have made in the past and now regret, or that I have known others to make.

Although I have long accepted myself as a gay man, I waited until I was well into my twenties for my sexual orientation to change. It didn’t. I’m now very happy to be gay and wouldn’t now want my orientation to change even if I believed such a thing to be possible (which I don’t), but I’ve realised of late that I don’t just need to grieve for the mum and dad that I’ve lost – that happens to everyone sooner or later and, as Columbo said, it’s the way of the world – but also for those years that I wasted trying to ignore or repress my natural sexuality instead of coming to terms with it. You don’t give any indication of your age; the younger you are, the more distressing it is think of the years that you’re wasting, and the older you are, the more distressing it is to think of the years that you’ve wasted already and seem determined to keep on wasting.

I never blamed my parents for my homosexuality – and it’s not something for which there’s any need to blame anyone or anything – but, as I’ve mentioned before, I had a work colleague who did blame his parents. Over the years that I knew him his relationship with them steadily and needlessly deteriorated, and by the time that he’d realised that there was no need to blame them for anything it was too late: they’d passed on. 

Finally, Quo, just consider this. Suppose that you meet in the next few weeks, months or years a really super guy. I don’t mean a pin-up style guy suitable for a raunchy gay mag, but a guy who’s really nice in every way and who could potentially be your boyfriend. Are you going to turn and walk away on the off-chance that your orientation might just conceivably change at some time in the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo,</p>
<p>Let me just say a few things. People can get very heated on here sometimes, and as a result the “decencies of debate” are not always observed. </p>
<p>I do find it depressing, however, that you seem to be intent on making the same mistakes that I have made in the past and now regret, or that I have known others to make.</p>
<p>Although I have long accepted myself as a gay man, I waited until I was well into my twenties for my sexual orientation to change. It didn’t. I’m now very happy to be gay and wouldn’t now want my orientation to change even if I believed such a thing to be possible (which I don’t), but I’ve realised of late that I don’t just need to grieve for the mum and dad that I’ve lost – that happens to everyone sooner or later and, as Columbo said, it’s the way of the world – but also for those years that I wasted trying to ignore or repress my natural sexuality instead of coming to terms with it. You don’t give any indication of your age; the younger you are, the more distressing it is think of the years that you’re wasting, and the older you are, the more distressing it is to think of the years that you’ve wasted already and seem determined to keep on wasting.</p>
<p>I never blamed my parents for my homosexuality – and it’s not something for which there’s any need to blame anyone or anything – but, as I’ve mentioned before, I had a work colleague who did blame his parents. Over the years that I knew him his relationship with them steadily and needlessly deteriorated, and by the time that he’d realised that there was no need to blame them for anything it was too late: they’d passed on. </p>
<p>Finally, Quo, just consider this. Suppose that you meet in the next few weeks, months or years a really super guy. I don’t mean a pin-up style guy suitable for a raunchy gay mag, but a guy who’s really nice in every way and who could potentially be your boyfriend. Are you going to turn and walk away on the off-chance that your orientation might just conceivably change at some time in the future?</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The feeblest here are those who are so insecure about their same sex attractions and their “daddy didn’t love me right” childhood that they need to dump on others to change even though they haven’t&lt;i&gt;---Emily K&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Similarly, there are those so feeble of spirit and so dependent on the approval of others that they would deny themselves their own potential for happiness and full self realization. To me, that&#039;s a &quot;loving disorder&quot; analogous to anorexia. If one cannot love themselves, it is impossible to love others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The feeblest here are those who are so insecure about their same sex attractions and their “daddy didn’t love me right” childhood that they need to dump on others to change even though they haven’t<i>&#8212;Emily K</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Similarly, there are those so feeble of spirit and so dependent on the approval of others that they would deny themselves their own potential for happiness and full self realization. To me, that&#8217;s a &#8220;loving disorder&#8221; analogous to anorexia. If one cannot love themselves, it is impossible to love others.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My beliefs on homosexuality: 

Falling in love with other women is as natural to me as falling asleep when I go to bed. And since I didn&#039;t feel the need to question it, or to torture myself over it, well, I never felt any conflict about it.

&quot;Feeble?&quot; Doubt it. How can someone&#039;s confidence in who they are as a human being be considered feeble? The feeblest here are those who are so insecure about their same sex attractions and their &quot;daddy didn&#039;t love me right&quot; childhood that they need to dump on others to change even though they haven&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My beliefs on homosexuality: </p>
<p>Falling in love with other women is as natural to me as falling asleep when I go to bed. And since I didn&#8217;t feel the need to question it, or to torture myself over it, well, I never felt any conflict about it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Feeble?&#8221; Doubt it. How can someone&#8217;s confidence in who they are as a human being be considered feeble? The feeblest here are those who are so insecure about their same sex attractions and their &#8220;daddy didn&#8217;t love me right&#8221; childhood that they need to dump on others to change even though they haven&#8217;t.</p>
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