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	<title>Comments on: Longitudinal Ex-Gay Study Update &#8211; Can Sexual Orientation be Changed?</title>
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	<description>News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: NOM Continues To Promote &#8220;Ex-Gay&#8221; Therapy &#124; FavStocks</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/12/13990/comment-page-1#comment-107501</link>
		<dc:creator>NOM Continues To Promote &#8220;Ex-Gay&#8221; Therapy &#124; FavStocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] await what the experts have to say about the final study, but the 2009 version of the study was thoroughly debunked and has been dismissed by the American Psychological [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/12/13990/comment-page-1#comment-80545</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 22:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how I missed this, Timothy. I started following &quot;The Great Conundrum&quot; comment you made about Boyd K. Packer and worked my way here.

This is a Masterpiece in analysis.

Remember, when my twins are born, I&#039;m naming them Timothy and Jim even if they&#039;re girls.

You-Are-Amazing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how I missed this, Timothy. I started following &#8220;The Great Conundrum&#8221; comment you made about Boyd K. Packer and worked my way here.</p>
<p>This is a Masterpiece in analysis.</p>
<p>Remember, when my twins are born, I&#8217;m naming them Timothy and Jim even if they&#8217;re girls.</p>
<p>You-Are-Amazing</p>
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		<title>By: Newsericks &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Crazy Like a PFOX (or, My Name is Regina Griggs and I’m Here to Recruit You)</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/12/13990/comment-page-1#comment-61618</link>
		<dc:creator>Newsericks &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Crazy Like a PFOX (or, My Name is Regina Griggs and I’m Here to Recruit You)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the “studies” that “prove” conversion works are [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Mahieu</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/12/13990/comment-page-1#comment-51744</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Mahieu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a survivor of 19 years in the reparative therapy/transformational ministry movement. For the first 4 or 5 years I was undergoing weekly exorcisms to try to cleanse me of the &quot;demons&quot; related to being gay. Needless to say the experience was horribly debasing and I still have deep emotional scars from it. In good faith I married a woman as an expression of my faith that I had been &quot;cured&quot;. She and I were both victims of what I believe is a hoax.  The marriage lasted 15 years. Another part of my process was christian psychotherapy and a cocktail of 4 drugs designed to kill my sex drive. My sexual orientation did not change in  the least. When I admitted that to myself and those around me I was gay I was immediately shunned by my entire social circle, biological family and even  kicked out of my own business. I am  being treated for complex PTSD as a result of the years of emotional abuse in ex-gay programs and unaccepting home and social environments.  In the end the choice I saw before me was to pray for death or to kill myself as I could not be &quot;cured&quot;. Ultimately I felt I could not do that to my wife, so I came out and dealt with the fallout. I feel that I wasted 19 years of my life trying to achieve the impossible, and I lost the entire social network,  and most of the business contacts that I built in that time. This kind of ostracism is definitely not disclosed as a possible result of &quot;failure&quot;  when entering  into the transformational ministry movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a survivor of 19 years in the reparative therapy/transformational ministry movement. For the first 4 or 5 years I was undergoing weekly exorcisms to try to cleanse me of the &#8220;demons&#8221; related to being gay. Needless to say the experience was horribly debasing and I still have deep emotional scars from it. In good faith I married a woman as an expression of my faith that I had been &#8220;cured&#8221;. She and I were both victims of what I believe is a hoax.  The marriage lasted 15 years. Another part of my process was christian psychotherapy and a cocktail of 4 drugs designed to kill my sex drive. My sexual orientation did not change in  the least. When I admitted that to myself and those around me I was gay I was immediately shunned by my entire social circle, biological family and even  kicked out of my own business. I am  being treated for complex PTSD as a result of the years of emotional abuse in ex-gay programs and unaccepting home and social environments.  In the end the choice I saw before me was to pray for death or to kill myself as I could not be &#8220;cured&#8221;. Ultimately I felt I could not do that to my wife, so I came out and dealt with the fallout. I feel that I wasted 19 years of my life trying to achieve the impossible, and I lost the entire social network,  and most of the business contacts that I built in that time. This kind of ostracism is definitely not disclosed as a possible result of &#8220;failure&#8221;  when entering  into the transformational ministry movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/12/13990/comment-page-1#comment-49756</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Chris,

Actually I take a slightly different tack in that I differentiate between retrospective and prospective samples and point out that the heterosexuals that they produce are, well, not recognizable as heterosexual by anyone outside the ex-gay movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chris,</p>
<p>Actually I take a slightly different tack in that I differentiate between retrospective and prospective samples and point out that the heterosexuals that they produce are, well, not recognizable as heterosexual by anyone outside the ex-gay movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McCoy</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/12/13990/comment-page-1#comment-49752</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was directed to this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiF9Ksy12zw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt; video yesterday on Facebook.

Appears to be a rip off of your work here, Tim. No credit given at all either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was directed to this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiF9Ksy12zw" rel="nofollow">Youtube</a> video yesterday on Facebook.</p>
<p>Appears to be a rip off of your work here, Tim. No credit given at all either.</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/12/13990/comment-page-1#comment-47851</link>
		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10% &quot;success&quot; and 15% turn to chastity....

(wow.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10% &#8220;success&#8221; and 15% turn to chastity&#8230;.</p>
<p>(wow.)</p>
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		<title>By: Brady</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/12/13990/comment-page-1#comment-47787</link>
		<dc:creator>Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the correction, Timothy.  Apparently I&#039;ve been overestimating their size in my own mind.  It still seems like they should have been able to find people more easily, and I can&#039;t help but think that issue should be taken into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction, Timothy.  Apparently I&#8217;ve been overestimating their size in my own mind.  It still seems like they should have been able to find people more easily, and I can&#8217;t help but think that issue should be taken into account.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/12/13990/comment-page-1#comment-47771</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Exodus has less than 100 ministries with about another 120 chuches that provide &lt;strike&gt;a supportive&lt;/strike&gt; an exploitive environment for ex-gays.&quot;

There, fixed it for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Exodus has less than 100 ministries with about another 120 chuches that provide <strike>a supportive</strike> an exploitive environment for ex-gays.&#8221;</p>
<p>There, fixed it for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/12/13990/comment-page-1#comment-47724</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brady,

Exodus has less than 100 ministries with about another 120 chuches that provide a supportive environment for ex-gays.

Richard, etc.

For further discussion on the flaws of the Spitzer study, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/tag/robert-spitzer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brady,</p>
<p>Exodus has less than 100 ministries with about another 120 chuches that provide a supportive environment for ex-gays.</p>
<p>Richard, etc.</p>
<p>For further discussion on the flaws of the Spitzer study, see <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/tag/robert-spitzer" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">here</a>.</p>
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