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	<title>Comments on: Prop 8 Donor Doug Manchester&#8217;s Sacred Marriage Is Ending</title>
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		<title>By: Chris McCoy</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/13/14022/comment-page-1#comment-47974</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Hulsey said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;A hypocrite, by definition, is doing something right. The trick is to figure out what it is.

I think the word we’re really looking for here is “cad.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think you&#039;re implying definition #2 for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cad&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cad&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;1 : an omnibus conductor
2 : a man who acts with deliberate disregard for another&#039;s feelings or rights&lt;/blockquote&gt;


However, I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Merriam-Webster&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s agrees with Jim&#039;s original diagnosis:

&lt;blockquote&gt;* Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
* Date: 13th century

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Hulsey said:</p>
<blockquote><p>A hypocrite, by definition, is doing something right. The trick is to figure out what it is.</p>
<p>I think the word we’re really looking for here is “cad.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you&#8217;re implying definition #2 for <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cad" rel="nofollow">Cad</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>1 : an omnibus conductor<br />
2 : a man who acts with deliberate disregard for another&#8217;s feelings or rights</p></blockquote>
<p>However, I think <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite" rel="nofollow">Merriam-Webster</a>&#8216;s agrees with Jim&#8217;s original diagnosis:</p>
<blockquote><p>* Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai<br />
* Date: 13th century</p>
<p>1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion<br />
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ravenbiker</title>
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		<dc:creator>ravenbiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HYPOCRITE.  I&#039;m sure that&#039;s the word.

I can see Mr. Rogers now, &quot;Okay, kids.  Can you say hyp-oh-krit?&quot;  

Manchester owes the GLBT community AND the Catholic Church a sincere and public apology!  ---that scum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HYPOCRITE.  I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s the word.</p>
<p>I can see Mr. Rogers now, &#8220;Okay, kids.  Can you say hyp-oh-krit?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Manchester owes the GLBT community AND the Catholic Church a sincere and public apology!  &#8212;that scum!</p>
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		<title>By: The Unending Hypocrisy of the Religious &#171; High Desert Musings</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/13/14022/comment-page-1#comment-47939</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unending Hypocrisy of the Religious &#171; High Desert Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Unending Hypocrisy of the&#160;Religious    From Box Turtle Bulletin: San Diego hotelier Doug Manchester, whose $125,000 donation to support California’s Prop 8 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Unending Hypocrisy of the&nbsp;Religious    From Box Turtle Bulletin: San Diego hotelier Doug Manchester, whose $125,000 donation to support California’s Prop 8 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hulsey</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/13/14022/comment-page-1#comment-47894</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Hulsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hypocrite, by definition, is doing something right.  The trick is to figure out what it is.

I think the word we&#039;re really looking for here is &quot;cad.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hypocrite, by definition, is doing something right.  The trick is to figure out what it is.</p>
<p>I think the word we&#8217;re really looking for here is &#8220;cad.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saucy, let me direct you back to the article itself, which gives the chronology of events:

&lt;blockquote&gt;On Oct. 9, 2008, Manchester ended 43 years, eight months and nine days of marriage to Elizabeth Manchester by moving out of their La Jolla abode. The couple spent the next several months trying to reach a quiet settlement on how best to distribute millions of dollars in cash and other assets. In July, those talks totally broke down, and Doug started playing financial hardball with Elizabeth, allegedly draining the couple’s shared accounts and stealing her mail. On Aug. 6, Elizabeth filed a petition for redress in family court. All of the information in this story comes from those petitions. CityBeat contacted attorneys for both parties, but neither returned calls by press time.

The court records say &lt;strong&gt;Doug pushed very hard for a speedy divorce agreement after he moved out&lt;/strong&gt;, but Elizabeth would have none of it. [Emphasis mine.]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This isn&#039;t exactly Doug playing the passive victim while his wife flees to a divorce lawyer to file for divorce. In fact, it appears that she was trying to prevent being railroaded into what she considered a financial disadvantage, and it was Doug who was pushing for the divorce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saucy, let me direct you back to the article itself, which gives the chronology of events:</p>
<blockquote><p>On Oct. 9, 2008, Manchester ended 43 years, eight months and nine days of marriage to Elizabeth Manchester by moving out of their La Jolla abode. The couple spent the next several months trying to reach a quiet settlement on how best to distribute millions of dollars in cash and other assets. In July, those talks totally broke down, and Doug started playing financial hardball with Elizabeth, allegedly draining the couple’s shared accounts and stealing her mail. On Aug. 6, Elizabeth filed a petition for redress in family court. All of the information in this story comes from those petitions. CityBeat contacted attorneys for both parties, but neither returned calls by press time.</p>
<p>The court records say <strong>Doug pushed very hard for a speedy divorce agreement after he moved out</strong>, but Elizabeth would have none of it. [Emphasis mine.]</p></blockquote>
<p>This isn&#8217;t exactly Doug playing the passive victim while his wife flees to a divorce lawyer to file for divorce. In fact, it appears that she was trying to prevent being railroaded into what she considered a financial disadvantage, and it was Doug who was pushing for the divorce.</p>
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		<title>By: Declan  Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Declan  Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the Catholic Church does not condemn divorce.  It&#039;s re-marriage after divorce that is the issue for Catholic theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the Catholic Church does not condemn divorce.  It&#8217;s re-marriage after divorce that is the issue for Catholic theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Saucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you read the story? I&#039;m afraid how I don&#039;t see, with the given facts, how this illustrates Manchester&#039;s own hypocrisy. It&#039;s not clear from the story what precipitated the original separation, but *his wife* filed for divorce. What is he supposed to do: somehow force her not to do this? How? 

What evidence do you have that Manchester desired and instigated the divorce? 

Requesting a legal separation rather than a legal divorce actually seems to me like a sensible way to put the brakes on a divorce process. 

(Now, you may argue he&#039;s only doing so for purposes of $$$ in a settlement...but what&#039;s your evidence for that too?)

You might think he&#039;s a douchebag, but there&#039;s not much here to argue that he&#039;s &quot;thumbing his nose&quot; at the Catholic Church--unless you are privy to some secret information the original story isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you read the story? I&#8217;m afraid how I don&#8217;t see, with the given facts, how this illustrates Manchester&#8217;s own hypocrisy. It&#8217;s not clear from the story what precipitated the original separation, but *his wife* filed for divorce. What is he supposed to do: somehow force her not to do this? How? </p>
<p>What evidence do you have that Manchester desired and instigated the divorce? </p>
<p>Requesting a legal separation rather than a legal divorce actually seems to me like a sensible way to put the brakes on a divorce process. </p>
<p>(Now, you may argue he&#8217;s only doing so for purposes of $$$ in a settlement&#8230;but what&#8217;s your evidence for that too?)</p>
<p>You might think he&#8217;s a douchebag, but there&#8217;s not much here to argue that he&#8217;s &#8220;thumbing his nose&#8221; at the Catholic Church&#8211;unless you are privy to some secret information the original story isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree.  L. J. Brutus&#039; contribution needs an award for best comment of the week.  Perhaps BTB should highlight the best comments of the week in a box somewhere.   

And mega kudos to Mr. Kincaid for his longitudinal analysis.  Did he ace his Statistics classes in college or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree.  L. J. Brutus&#8217; contribution needs an award for best comment of the week.  Perhaps BTB should highlight the best comments of the week in a box somewhere.   </p>
<p>And mega kudos to Mr. Kincaid for his longitudinal analysis.  Did he ace his Statistics classes in college or what?</p>
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		<title>By: paul j stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul j stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the question of equal marriage rights comes up I just ask the room how many marriages have they have legally and sacredly agreed to and if they are on another  marriage was it for the money and benefits provided by law?. The sacred holy union crap goes right out the window. Then the room gets a little quieter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the question of equal marriage rights comes up I just ask the room how many marriages have they have legally and sacredly agreed to and if they are on another  marriage was it for the money and benefits provided by law?. The sacred holy union crap goes right out the window. Then the room gets a little quieter.</p>
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		<title>By: Burr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bad karma is because God hates hypocrites. Jesus saved his most wrathful words for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bad karma is because God hates hypocrites. Jesus saved his most wrathful words for them.</p>
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