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	<title>Comments on: Hint of Hope from Minneapolis</title>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The vote PASSED by just 66.67%. Maybe every national church general convention should be in Minneapolis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vote PASSED by just 66.67%. Maybe every national church general convention should be in Minneapolis.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Herrmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Herrmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that it was also in Minneapolis in 1976 that the Episcopal Church&#039;s General Convention approved ordination of women to be priests and bishops.

Maybe the Methodists and Presbyterians should schedule their next conventions there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget that it was also in Minneapolis in 1976 that the Episcopal Church&#8217;s General Convention approved ordination of women to be priests and bishops.</p>
<p>Maybe the Methodists and Presbyterians should schedule their next conventions there.</p>
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		<title>By: Piper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was working as a camp counselor in a Lutheran Bible camp one of my fellow counselors had a short joke that we all felt was very typical of the Lutheran sentiment. 

 A Lutheran hears the word change and gets really confused for a moment.  He then smiles and nods his head, &quot;change you say? , We call that death.&quot;  It was meant that young Lutherans we would get very frustrated at some of the older members of the church, who it seemed wouldn&#039;t know change until they died.

Lutherans are very stubborn, it can be one of our best traits, but it can also shoot us in the foot. I&#039;ve heard this kind of vote often in the past.  It&#039;s common to read the reports from different synod meetings say that they struck down this very same motion.  it is a tactic that seems to be used often.  

P.S. I thought my Pastor was going, but he&#039;s taking a vacation, not going to the assembly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was working as a camp counselor in a Lutheran Bible camp one of my fellow counselors had a short joke that we all felt was very typical of the Lutheran sentiment. </p>
<p> A Lutheran hears the word change and gets really confused for a moment.  He then smiles and nods his head, &#8220;change you say? , We call that death.&#8221;  It was meant that young Lutherans we would get very frustrated at some of the older members of the church, who it seemed wouldn&#8217;t know change until they died.</p>
<p>Lutherans are very stubborn, it can be one of our best traits, but it can also shoot us in the foot. I&#8217;ve heard this kind of vote often in the past.  It&#8217;s common to read the reports from different synod meetings say that they struck down this very same motion.  it is a tactic that seems to be used often.  </p>
<p>P.S. I thought my Pastor was going, but he&#8217;s taking a vacation, not going to the assembly.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see how someone would vote against this &quot;changing the rules of the game&quot; but then also vote against allow gay or lesbian partnered pastors.

I am glad that my own pastor and the delegate from my congregation are there to weigh in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see how someone would vote against this &#8220;changing the rules of the game&#8221; but then also vote against allow gay or lesbian partnered pastors.</p>
<p>I am glad that my own pastor and the delegate from my congregation are there to weigh in.</p>
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		<title>By: tavdy79</title>
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		<dc:creator>tavdy79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This midwestern city may earn a reputation as a site central to the greatest restructuring of American Christianity since the Civil War.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s a good chance it will earn a reputation as a site central to the greatest restructuring of Christianity since the &lt;i&gt;Reformation&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This midwestern city may earn a reputation as a site central to the greatest restructuring of American Christianity since the Civil War.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a good chance it will earn a reputation as a site central to the greatest restructuring of Christianity since the <i>Reformation</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;With the recent decisions by major American church bodies to honor the committed relationships of gay members, can we have more hope that the legal, civil rights will soon follow?&lt;i&gt; ---Richard W. Fitch&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
We might expect that there will be moderate Christian voices counterbalancing those of the more conservative and fundamentalist Christian voices---if those moderate voices will but speak up and be heard.

If the political discourse surrounding social policy becomes rational and less shrill, there is perhaps a chance that the truth will be heard in the halls of power where access to civil rights is controlled. But if social policy debate continues to be conducted in the echo chamber of Right Wing conservatism and manufactured dissent without a moderating force of reason to dampen the vibrations, nothing will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>With the recent decisions by major American church bodies to honor the committed relationships of gay members, can we have more hope that the legal, civil rights will soon follow?<i> &#8212;Richard W. Fitch</i></p></blockquote>
<p>We might expect that there will be moderate Christian voices counterbalancing those of the more conservative and fundamentalist Christian voices&#8212;if those moderate voices will but speak up and be heard.</p>
<p>If the political discourse surrounding social policy becomes rational and less shrill, there is perhaps a chance that the truth will be heard in the halls of power where access to civil rights is controlled. But if social policy debate continues to be conducted in the echo chamber of Right Wing conservatism and manufactured dissent without a moderating force of reason to dampen the vibrations, nothing will change.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next thing would be if opponents suspected there might be two-thirds in favor they would require a unanimous vote?? With the recent decisions by major American church bodies to honor the committed relationships of gay members, can we have more hope that the legal, civil rights will soon follow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next thing would be if opponents suspected there might be two-thirds in favor they would require a unanimous vote?? With the recent decisions by major American church bodies to honor the committed relationships of gay members, can we have more hope that the legal, civil rights will soon follow?</p>
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