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	<title>Comments on: The Peter Discovers Bisexuals</title>
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		<title>By: Max the Communist</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/21/14174/comment-page-1#comment-48435</link>
		<dc:creator>Max the Communist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel badly.  I blogged the bi health summit and, unfortunately, was twist-quoted by Pete about HOW SICK WE WERE--obviously because of our perverse bisexual lifestyle.  Usually, we bis just get ignored--until people talk about guys on the down-low or Tila Tequila makes it into the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel badly.  I blogged the bi health summit and, unfortunately, was twist-quoted by Pete about HOW SICK WE WERE&#8211;obviously because of our perverse bisexual lifestyle.  Usually, we bis just get ignored&#8211;until people talk about guys on the down-low or Tila Tequila makes it into the news.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenEyedLilo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/21/14174/comment-page-1#comment-48382</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenEyedLilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Hunter:  I&#039;m not at all surprised by either one myself.  It&#039;s like, if someone told him &quot;I have some apples, bananas, and oranges, and half the fruit I have is oranges,&quot; he&#039;s concluding that half of all fruit is oranges.  I am not sure whether he is actually that dense or just counting on his potential donors being that dense, and if so, which would be worse.  There&#039;s a lot of malice either way.

@ Tavdy:  I always appreciate tips like that.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hunter:  I&#8217;m not at all surprised by either one myself.  It&#8217;s like, if someone told him &#8220;I have some apples, bananas, and oranges, and half the fruit I have is oranges,&#8221; he&#8217;s concluding that half of all fruit is oranges.  I am not sure whether he is actually that dense or just counting on his potential donors being that dense, and if so, which would be worse.  There&#8217;s a lot of malice either way.</p>
<p>@ Tavdy:  I always appreciate tips like that.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/21/14174/comment-page-1#comment-48381</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In LaBarbera&#039;s defense, he can&#039;t be expect to discern the difference between &quot;homosexual&quot; and &quot;GLB,&quot; which is what the article he referenced actually said.  He&#039;s just not intellectually equipped for that sort of subtlety.

The CFP article is not great -- CFP seems to have adopted the corporate media&#039;s habit of letting assertion stand for fact -- but LaBarbera&#039;s not reporting what they actually said.

Why am I not surprised on either count?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In LaBarbera&#8217;s defense, he can&#8217;t be expect to discern the difference between &#8220;homosexual&#8221; and &#8220;GLB,&#8221; which is what the article he referenced actually said.  He&#8217;s just not intellectually equipped for that sort of subtlety.</p>
<p>The CFP article is not great &#8212; CFP seems to have adopted the corporate media&#8217;s habit of letting assertion stand for fact &#8212; but LaBarbera&#8217;s not reporting what they actually said.</p>
<p>Why am I not surprised on either count?</p>
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		<title>By: tavdy79</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/21/14174/comment-page-1#comment-48371</link>
		<dc:creator>tavdy79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GreenEyedLilo: Bill Guerin&#039;s biceps? try Sean Lamont&#039;s glutes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GreenEyedLilo: Bill Guerin&#8217;s biceps? try Sean Lamont&#8217;s glutes!</p>
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		<title>By: GreenEyedLilo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/21/14174/comment-page-1#comment-48287</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenEyedLilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good lookin&#039; out, Burr and Christopher.  Lots of people who act bisexual (or have had a bisexual history) do identify as straight.  I&#039;m guessing Peter thinks this means he can say the ex-gay stuff wouldn&#039;t hurt after all, that gays and lesbians do too have heterosexual &quot;potential,&quot; that there&#039;s &quot;hope&quot; for us.  As a same-sex married bisexual woman who is happy to make her own decisions regarding her sexuality, I&#039;d have to say his definition of hope and mine are different.

And that&#039;s one of the more charitable possibilities I came up with.  I don&#039;t actually want to get too far inside Porno Pete&#039;s head.  It&#039;s a scary place.

Tavdy79, I&#039;m thinking just this bit of bi visibility that I wrote in a hockey fangirl blog earlier this week, about Penguins right wing Bill Guerin, might induce a migraine in Porno Pete:  &quot;I&#039;ll behave myself if we meet him, honest!  I&#039;ll only touch his bicep a little bit.  It&#039;s not like I&#039;m gonna propose that we both ditch our wives for the night and go find a motel room.&quot;

Seriously, the Bi Health Summit was a good idea, and I am very glad that there are concerned professionals, bisexual and otherwise, who are finally working to address our community and its needs.  Here&#039;s to people like  Cheryl Dobinson and Stewart Landers who offer real, true help. And here&#039;s to talking about real things, thereby making it really, excruciatingly difficult and confusing for Peter LaBarbera to do his job.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lookin&#8217; out, Burr and Christopher.  Lots of people who act bisexual (or have had a bisexual history) do identify as straight.  I&#8217;m guessing Peter thinks this means he can say the ex-gay stuff wouldn&#8217;t hurt after all, that gays and lesbians do too have heterosexual &#8220;potential,&#8221; that there&#8217;s &#8220;hope&#8221; for us.  As a same-sex married bisexual woman who is happy to make her own decisions regarding her sexuality, I&#8217;d have to say his definition of hope and mine are different.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s one of the more charitable possibilities I came up with.  I don&#8217;t actually want to get too far inside Porno Pete&#8217;s head.  It&#8217;s a scary place.</p>
<p>Tavdy79, I&#8217;m thinking just this bit of bi visibility that I wrote in a hockey fangirl blog earlier this week, about Penguins right wing Bill Guerin, might induce a migraine in Porno Pete:  &#8220;I&#8217;ll behave myself if we meet him, honest!  I&#8217;ll only touch his bicep a little bit.  It&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m gonna propose that we both ditch our wives for the night and go find a motel room.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, the Bi Health Summit was a good idea, and I am very glad that there are concerned professionals, bisexual and otherwise, who are finally working to address our community and its needs.  Here&#8217;s to people like  Cheryl Dobinson and Stewart Landers who offer real, true help. And here&#8217;s to talking about real things, thereby making it really, excruciatingly difficult and confusing for Peter LaBarbera to do his job.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: tavdy79</title>
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		<dc:creator>tavdy79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s one that&#039;ll really screw with The Peter&#039;s noggin: What about genderqueers? If you&#039;ve got a person who doesn&#039;t identify as purely male or purely female, how can they be straight? After all, you&#039;re straight if you&#039;re only attracted to the opposite gender, you&#039;re gay if you&#039;re only attracted to the same gender, and you&#039;re bisexual if you&#039;re attracted to both.

But what&#039;s the opposite gender of a person who is genderless (agender, neutrois) third-gender (exogender, autogender) both male and female (hermaphrodite) somewhere between the two (androgyne, ambigender) or whose gender isn&#039;t fixed (bigender, genderfluid)? When you leave the gender binary, definitions of gay, straight or bisexual aren&#039;t so clear-cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one that&#8217;ll really screw with The Peter&#8217;s noggin: What about genderqueers? If you&#8217;ve got a person who doesn&#8217;t identify as purely male or purely female, how can they be straight? After all, you&#8217;re straight if you&#8217;re only attracted to the opposite gender, you&#8217;re gay if you&#8217;re only attracted to the same gender, and you&#8217;re bisexual if you&#8217;re attracted to both.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s the opposite gender of a person who is genderless (agender, neutrois) third-gender (exogender, autogender) both male and female (hermaphrodite) somewhere between the two (androgyne, ambigender) or whose gender isn&#8217;t fixed (bigender, genderfluid)? When you leave the gender binary, definitions of gay, straight or bisexual aren&#8217;t so clear-cut.</p>
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		<title>By: Burr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay.. what difference does it make even IF half of us were actually bisexual?

It doesn&#039;t change the fact that we should still be allowed to choose a partner of the same sex and have all the same rights as those who choose the opposite sex.

Pointless thing to point out even if true, which it&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay.. what difference does it make even IF half of us were actually bisexual?</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t change the fact that we should still be allowed to choose a partner of the same sex and have all the same rights as those who choose the opposite sex.</p>
<p>Pointless thing to point out even if true, which it&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/21/14174/comment-page-1#comment-48254</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know which is more ridiculous, LaBarbara&#039;s article or the one he references.

&quot;Half of all homosexuals are bisexual&quot;?

By definition NO HOMOsexuals are BIsexual and NO BIsexuals are HOMOsexual.

I don&#039;t even believe that half of &quot;self-identified homosexuals&quot; are actually bisexual unless one considers anyone who&#039;s ever had sex with a person of each sex bisexual.  That would make me bisexual and I&#039;m absolutely positive that I&#039;m not.  Not that there&#039;s anything wrong with that.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know which is more ridiculous, LaBarbara&#8217;s article or the one he references.</p>
<p>&#8220;Half of all homosexuals are bisexual&#8221;?</p>
<p>By definition NO HOMOsexuals are BIsexual and NO BIsexuals are HOMOsexual.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even believe that half of &#8220;self-identified homosexuals&#8221; are actually bisexual unless one considers anyone who&#8217;s ever had sex with a person of each sex bisexual.  That would make me bisexual and I&#8217;m absolutely positive that I&#8217;m not.  Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/21/14174/comment-page-1#comment-48242</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, I thought I was ok leaving my irony meter on when I visit this site. Now I go and zap another one thanks to Pete. 

I guess the stupid goes all the way down on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, I thought I was ok leaving my irony meter on when I visit this site. Now I go and zap another one thanks to Pete. </p>
<p>I guess the stupid goes all the way down on him.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Waldrop</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/21/14174/comment-page-1#comment-48231</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Waldrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter&#039;s headline contains a serious typo. It was supposed to say, &quot;Half of all &lt;b&gt;heterosexuals&lt;/b&gt; are bisexual&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter&#8217;s headline contains a serious typo. It was supposed to say, &#8220;Half of all <b>heterosexuals</b> are bisexual&#8221;.</p>
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