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	<title>Comments on: Air Force Pilot Outed By False Criminal Accusation</title>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/24/14250/comment-page-1#comment-89134</link>
		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Shaner&#039;s &#039;investigation&#039; to be interesting.  I have read that his unidentified acquaintance claimed that a group of gay hiv+ civilians were inviting servicemen to sex parties in hopes of infecting them.  Any servicemen that could support this story would be at risk of outing themselves.  Shaner believed that Fehrenbach had information about this group.  Was Shaner attempting to seduce Fehrenbach into revealing knowledge of said group?  What might be the motivation then behind the rape accusation?  I realize he&#039;s been discredited by the Air Force and Idaho Police, but why would he do all of this?
Even if it&#039;s the ravings of a quack, there is more to the back story in all of this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Shaner&#8217;s &#8216;investigation&#8217; to be interesting.  I have read that his unidentified acquaintance claimed that a group of gay hiv+ civilians were inviting servicemen to sex parties in hopes of infecting them.  Any servicemen that could support this story would be at risk of outing themselves.  Shaner believed that Fehrenbach had information about this group.  Was Shaner attempting to seduce Fehrenbach into revealing knowledge of said group?  What might be the motivation then behind the rape accusation?  I realize he&#8217;s been discredited by the Air Force and Idaho Police, but why would he do all of this?<br />
Even if it&#8217;s the ravings of a quack, there is more to the back story in all of this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/24/14250/comment-page-1#comment-48615</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt:

For starters, a gay person would likely run into many of the same problems in their local police department or fire department.  Sure, there might not be an official policy of terminating employment if one is found to be LGBT and there might even be a law or policy explicitly forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity.  But that doesn&#039;t mean it would be a walk in the part.

Also, I get the impression that the number of job openings for both police and firefighters is awful small and there&#039;s usually an overabundance of applicants waiting to fill those positions.  The likelihood of getting into one of those positions is probably much smaller than the likelihood of getting into the military, which has been struggling to meet its recruiting requirements for years now.

Also, it may be about more than just serving one&#039;s country.  Military service can provide essential connections, tools, and training for future career plans.  Remember that for the past couple decades, short term military service has been promoted as an alternative for those young men and women who want to work towards a better future for themselves but don&#039;t feel called towards college.  I can see why LGBT might consider that route themselves.

But in the end, their reasons are their own.  And whatever they are, it&#039;s a route they should be allowed to take, just like their heterosexual compatriots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt:</p>
<p>For starters, a gay person would likely run into many of the same problems in their local police department or fire department.  Sure, there might not be an official policy of terminating employment if one is found to be LGBT and there might even be a law or policy explicitly forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean it would be a walk in the part.</p>
<p>Also, I get the impression that the number of job openings for both police and firefighters is awful small and there&#8217;s usually an overabundance of applicants waiting to fill those positions.  The likelihood of getting into one of those positions is probably much smaller than the likelihood of getting into the military, which has been struggling to meet its recruiting requirements for years now.</p>
<p>Also, it may be about more than just serving one&#8217;s country.  Military service can provide essential connections, tools, and training for future career plans.  Remember that for the past couple decades, short term military service has been promoted as an alternative for those young men and women who want to work towards a better future for themselves but don&#8217;t feel called towards college.  I can see why LGBT might consider that route themselves.</p>
<p>But in the end, their reasons are their own.  And whatever they are, it&#8217;s a route they should be allowed to take, just like their heterosexual compatriots.</p>
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		<title>By: skookster</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/24/14250/comment-page-1#comment-48613</link>
		<dc:creator>skookster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Dan Popkey, the Idaho Statesman reporter who got the details on Fehrenbach&#039;s outing, Cameron Shaner has left Boise State and returned to Arizona. It would be interesting if another reporter could get Shaner&#039;s story, his decision to seek revenge against Fehrenbach, his reaction to the resulting publicity and controversy.  An exposé, if you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Dan Popkey, the Idaho Statesman reporter who got the details on Fehrenbach&#8217;s outing, Cameron Shaner has left Boise State and returned to Arizona. It would be interesting if another reporter could get Shaner&#8217;s story, his decision to seek revenge against Fehrenbach, his reaction to the resulting publicity and controversy.  An exposé, if you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/24/14250/comment-page-1#comment-48534</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more of these stories I see, the more I wonder why gay people even want to serve in the US Armed Forces in the first place. I can understand the urge to serve one&#039;s country, but there&#039;s got to be a better way to do so without joining an organization that essentially supports and encourages gay repression. 

Become a cop or firefighter, join the Peace Corps, or something like that instead, imo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more of these stories I see, the more I wonder why gay people even want to serve in the US Armed Forces in the first place. I can understand the urge to serve one&#8217;s country, but there&#8217;s got to be a better way to do so without joining an organization that essentially supports and encourages gay repression. </p>
<p>Become a cop or firefighter, join the Peace Corps, or something like that instead, imo.</p>
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		<title>By: Penguinsaur</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/24/14250/comment-page-1#comment-48522</link>
		<dc:creator>Penguinsaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So a 30-something man *I&#039;m guessing, they said the other guy was 30* has to find dates on the frickin internet and never let anyone know or he&#039;ll lose the career he&#039;s worked his whole life at.

Yeah, we can&#039;t possibly repeal this policy. Can you just imagine how AWFUL it would be for some poor homophobe to share a shower with a gay? Better to just ruin people&#039;s lives for ever admitting they had sex. That&#039;s the fair thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So a 30-something man *I&#8217;m guessing, they said the other guy was 30* has to find dates on the frickin internet and never let anyone know or he&#8217;ll lose the career he&#8217;s worked his whole life at.</p>
<p>Yeah, we can&#8217;t possibly repeal this policy. Can you just imagine how AWFUL it would be for some poor homophobe to share a shower with a gay? Better to just ruin people&#8217;s lives for ever admitting they had sex. That&#8217;s the fair thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/24/14250/comment-page-1#comment-48511</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GDad, Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GDad, Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: GDad</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/24/14250/comment-page-1#comment-48504</link>
		<dc:creator>GDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick correction - The Defense Sec&#039;y is Robert Gates, not Bill.  You can delete this comment if you want, and nobody will ever know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick correction &#8211; The Defense Sec&#8217;y is Robert Gates, not Bill.  You can delete this comment if you want, and nobody will ever know.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa. A little unrelated, but that detective is my uncle twice removed. Weird. I didn&#039;t even know this was going on in my hometown of Boise. Again, evidence that DADT(DP) is dated and broken and needs to be repealed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa. A little unrelated, but that detective is my uncle twice removed. Weird. I didn&#8217;t even know this was going on in my hometown of Boise. Again, evidence that DADT(DP) is dated and broken and needs to be repealed.</p>
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		<title>By: gar</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/24/14250/comment-page-1#comment-48477</link>
		<dc:creator>gar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief.  Will this madness ever come to an end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief.  Will this madness ever come to an end?</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard Drake</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/08/24/14250/comment-page-1#comment-48465</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is completely messed up. Another reason why DADT(DP) needs to be repealed. (Also, the city is misspelled: it is Boise.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is completely messed up. Another reason why DADT(DP) needs to be repealed. (Also, the city is misspelled: it is Boise.)</p>
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