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	<title>Comments on: Federal Court Throws Out Suit Against Miami Hospital By Lesbian Barred From Dying Partner</title>
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		<title>By: lurker</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/09/29/15086/comment-page-1#comment-50728</link>
		<dc:creator>lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina9223 and Eric Ross:

I assume you mean well by your suggestions - &quot;just tell them you&#039;re a sibling&quot; and &quot;LGBT people should just change their names when they get married&quot; - but, respectfully, please do not blame LGBT people for discrimination against us. 

Tell me, why should we have to lie about our primary relationships or change our own names(!) (in my opinion, an anachronistic patriarchal ownership practice) in order to expect basic human decency?

And as to the first suggestion - say you show up at the hospital with your same-sex spouse. They ask why you are there with the sick person and you tell them. They whisk her inside to the trauma unit to take care of her. An hour later it becomes clear that you are going to be treated like dog shit. And now you&#039;re supposed to say &quot;wait, wait, no I&#039;m actually her SISTER, not her wife&quot;? And that&#039;s going to help? Denying the identity of the love of your life in her last moments? And don&#039;t you think the bigots will just laugh in your face?

So maybe we should just assume that EVERYONE is going to treat us like sub-humans and retreat back into the closet completely?

No thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina9223 and Eric Ross:</p>
<p>I assume you mean well by your suggestions &#8211; &#8220;just tell them you&#8217;re a sibling&#8221; and &#8220;LGBT people should just change their names when they get married&#8221; &#8211; but, respectfully, please do not blame LGBT people for discrimination against us. </p>
<p>Tell me, why should we have to lie about our primary relationships or change our own names(!) (in my opinion, an anachronistic patriarchal ownership practice) in order to expect basic human decency?</p>
<p>And as to the first suggestion &#8211; say you show up at the hospital with your same-sex spouse. They ask why you are there with the sick person and you tell them. They whisk her inside to the trauma unit to take care of her. An hour later it becomes clear that you are going to be treated like dog shit. And now you&#8217;re supposed to say &#8220;wait, wait, no I&#8217;m actually her SISTER, not her wife&#8221;? And that&#8217;s going to help? Denying the identity of the love of your life in her last moments? And don&#8217;t you think the bigots will just laugh in your face?</p>
<p>So maybe we should just assume that EVERYONE is going to treat us like sub-humans and retreat back into the closet completely?</p>
<p>No thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is I hope the NLCR can get this case accepted at the US Supreme Court. This &quot;we&#039;re an anti-gay state and an anti-gay city&quot; esxcuse is bullsh1t!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is I hope the NLCR can get this case accepted at the US Supreme Court. This &#8220;we&#8217;re an anti-gay state and an anti-gay city&#8221; esxcuse is bullsh1t!!!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this wasn&#039;t a trauma case (it was a spontaneous non-traumatic bleed in the brain), the &quot;trauma ward&quot; excuse would appear irrelevant at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this wasn&#8217;t a trauma case (it was a spontaneous non-traumatic bleed in the brain), the &#8220;trauma ward&#8221; excuse would appear irrelevant at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They’re hiding behind the needs of the truma ward. Transparently so.


Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They’re hiding behind the needs of the truma ward. Transparently so.</p>
<p>Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I truly hope that whoever wrote that piece of pornography they call a statement gets a glimpse at the depravity of their own soul and sees face to face the evil lurking there.&quot;

Tim, that&#039;s an insult to all of the fine pornographers out there!  :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I truly hope that whoever wrote that piece of pornography they call a statement gets a glimpse at the depravity of their own soul and sees face to face the evil lurking there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tim, that&#8217;s an insult to all of the fine pornographers out there!  :-P</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hospitals need the arbitrary right to deny access to the trauma ward.&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s another piece to this puzzle though Kith.  She had power of attorney.  What kind of medical care can a hospital reasonably claim to be providing when they assert an absolute right to completely ignore your prepared legal and medical directives documents?  Are those documents completely worthless then, or only worthless as they apply to same sex couples?

Furthermore, I&#039;m told she wasn&#039;t even allowed to get a death certificate after the fact.  Does the Trauma Ward provide those?  

They&#039;re hiding behind the needs of the truma ward.  Transparently so.  And I&#039;m sorry to say a jury here in Maryland probably gave hospitals all over the nation the go-ahead to use that as an excuse to discriminate.  See the case of Robert Lee Daniel and Bill Robert Flanigan at the Maryland Shock Trauma Center in October 2000.  Another horror story, and that one comes complete with the patient being strapped to the bed and a tube being put down his throat that Daniel had been terrified of and insisted to Flanigan (who once again had power of attorney) he didn&#039;t want done to him.  Shock Trauma went ahead and did it anyway.  Patient care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hospitals need the arbitrary right to deny access to the trauma ward.</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s another piece to this puzzle though Kith.  She had power of attorney.  What kind of medical care can a hospital reasonably claim to be providing when they assert an absolute right to completely ignore your prepared legal and medical directives documents?  Are those documents completely worthless then, or only worthless as they apply to same sex couples?</p>
<p>Furthermore, I&#8217;m told she wasn&#8217;t even allowed to get a death certificate after the fact.  Does the Trauma Ward provide those?  </p>
<p>They&#8217;re hiding behind the needs of the truma ward.  Transparently so.  And I&#8217;m sorry to say a jury here in Maryland probably gave hospitals all over the nation the go-ahead to use that as an excuse to discriminate.  See the case of Robert Lee Daniel and Bill Robert Flanigan at the Maryland Shock Trauma Center in October 2000.  Another horror story, and that one comes complete with the patient being strapped to the bed and a tube being put down his throat that Daniel had been terrified of and insisted to Flanigan (who once again had power of attorney) he didn&#8217;t want done to him.  Shock Trauma went ahead and did it anyway.  Patient care.</p>
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		<title>By: Kith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After talking to a friend who was an ER nurse this ruling while making me unhappy made sense.

Hospitals need the arbitrary right to deny access to the trauma ward.  If they had to prove just cause to keep someone out they would never be able to deny access to say a hysterical mother who was preventing doctors from concentrating.  In such needing to prove &quot;cause&quot; would slow down the process and endanger the patients life.

The issue here is of course defining &quot;trauma ward&quot;  since it seems clear the partner was denied access far after the time in which the doctors where &quot;Caring&quot; for the patient and the issue of animus.   It is clear the denial of access in this case was intended to cause harm and not to promote the care of the patient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After talking to a friend who was an ER nurse this ruling while making me unhappy made sense.</p>
<p>Hospitals need the arbitrary right to deny access to the trauma ward.  If they had to prove just cause to keep someone out they would never be able to deny access to say a hysterical mother who was preventing doctors from concentrating.  In such needing to prove &#8220;cause&#8221; would slow down the process and endanger the patients life.</p>
<p>The issue here is of course defining &#8220;trauma ward&#8221;  since it seems clear the partner was denied access far after the time in which the doctors where &#8220;Caring&#8221; for the patient and the issue of animus.   It is clear the denial of access in this case was intended to cause harm and not to promote the care of the patient.</p>
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		<title>By: CPT_Doom</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPT_Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a suggestion that does not need activists in Florida - file complaints with the Joint Commission (www.jointcommission.org), the accrediting body for hospitals. A hospital cannot operate without Joint Commission accreditation, and they have standards on the rights of the individual. Even if state law does not cover this instance, it is very possible Joint Commission requirements do. Enough complaints might cause a review by the Joint Commission (something no hospital wants).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a suggestion that does not need activists in Florida &#8211; file complaints with the Joint Commission (www.jointcommission.org), the accrediting body for hospitals. A hospital cannot operate without Joint Commission accreditation, and they have standards on the rights of the individual. Even if state law does not cover this instance, it is very possible Joint Commission requirements do. Enough complaints might cause a review by the Joint Commission (something no hospital wants).</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey the Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audrey the Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I really hate my home state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I really hate my home state.</p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve probably told that story a dozen times at Pride and had my contact information taken over and over, and have never in 5 years heard back from anyone.  GLBTT people in Florida aren&#039;t known for activism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve probably told that story a dozen times at Pride and had my contact information taken over and over, and have never in 5 years heard back from anyone.  GLBTT people in Florida aren&#8217;t known for activism.</p>
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