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	<title>Comments on: Kevin Jennings, &#8220;Brewster,&#8221; and the Closet</title>
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		<title>By: nm</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/03/15146/comment-page-1#comment-56944</link>
		<dc:creator>nm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Jennings founded GLSEN which publishes perverted overtly sexual books for kiddies..we are not fooled what Jennings agenda is....please...enough about saving poor Brewsters life...if Jennings gave a damn he would have warned the boy that picking up strangers in bathrooms - not a good idea...no that was ok, but put a condom on first... ridiculous!  Jennings job is to promote homosexuality/lesbianism...not paying for that with our tax dollars...nice try!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Jennings founded GLSEN which publishes perverted overtly sexual books for kiddies..we are not fooled what Jennings agenda is&#8230;.please&#8230;enough about saving poor Brewsters life&#8230;if Jennings gave a damn he would have warned the boy that picking up strangers in bathrooms &#8211; not a good idea&#8230;no that was ok, but put a condom on first&#8230; ridiculous!  Jennings job is to promote homosexuality/lesbianism&#8230;not paying for that with our tax dollars&#8230;nice try!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure Jennings advice was off.  Aside from the fact that the statement most in need of addressing is the one the story ends with (and therefore we don&#039;t know what Jennings said next), part of what teachers do is develop rapore and trust with students. 

Mentioning the condom was huge! Here was an adult to whom this boy just &#039;confessed&#039; his actions, and the adult doesn&#039;t flip out on him.  Instead, having already established that KJ thinks the boy shouldn&#039;t be out on school nights, he offers advice that says this is a medical / health issue, not a pathology.  

Who&#039;s Brewster going to turn to next time there&#039;s an issue in his life?  Not the teacher who goes ballistic, no, he&#039;s going to go to the teacher who doled it out at the pace the boy could handle.

Bravo, Jennings.  That&#039;s the moment that made all the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure Jennings advice was off.  Aside from the fact that the statement most in need of addressing is the one the story ends with (and therefore we don&#8217;t know what Jennings said next), part of what teachers do is develop rapore and trust with students. </p>
<p>Mentioning the condom was huge! Here was an adult to whom this boy just &#8216;confessed&#8217; his actions, and the adult doesn&#8217;t flip out on him.  Instead, having already established that KJ thinks the boy shouldn&#8217;t be out on school nights, he offers advice that says this is a medical / health issue, not a pathology.  </p>
<p>Who&#8217;s Brewster going to turn to next time there&#8217;s an issue in his life?  Not the teacher who goes ballistic, no, he&#8217;s going to go to the teacher who doled it out at the pace the boy could handle.</p>
<p>Bravo, Jennings.  That&#8217;s the moment that made all the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The instant NOM, IFI, CWA and the rest are forced to acknowledge that being gay for some of us is perfectly normal and that LGBT* people can and do form and maintain healthy and productive families, &lt;strong&gt;at that moment those groups will cease to have any relevancy&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

At that moment I expect those groups to begin the campaign to rehabilitate themselves and rewrite history. They will attempt to seize the credit for ending society&#039;s persecution of gays while deflecting all responsibility for extending that persecution long beyond the time when it would have otherwise ended.

One of religion&#039;s specialties seems to be the seizing of all credit for things deemed positive while deflecting any responsibility for things deemed negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The instant NOM, IFI, CWA and the rest are forced to acknowledge that being gay for some of us is perfectly normal and that LGBT* people can and do form and maintain healthy and productive families, <strong>at that moment those groups will cease to have any relevancy</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>At that moment I expect those groups to begin the campaign to rehabilitate themselves and rewrite history. They will attempt to seize the credit for ending society&#8217;s persecution of gays while deflecting all responsibility for extending that persecution long beyond the time when it would have otherwise ended.</p>
<p>One of religion&#8217;s specialties seems to be the seizing of all credit for things deemed positive while deflecting any responsibility for things deemed negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Waldrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Waldrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The instant NOM, IFI, CWA and the rest are forced to acknowledge that being gay for some of us is perfectly normal and that LGBT* people can and do form and maintain healthy and productive families, at that moment those groups will cease to have any relevancy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That fits with something that occurred to me as I was thinking more about this story. Jennings was a teacher, and, whether or not his advice was good, he was apparently a dedicated teacher. He also happens to be gay. He also never had any charges of misconduct brought against him.  For most of us that doesn&#039;t come as a surprise, but NOM, IFI, CWA, and other groups with similar agendas can&#039;t let it rest there. They have to have &lt;b&gt;something&lt;/b&gt; to criticize, because the idea that someone can be a good teacher and also be gay is a threat to them. If he was a good teacher then Jennings undermines their baseless claim that homosexuals are inherently dangerous and a threat to society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The instant NOM, IFI, CWA and the rest are forced to acknowledge that being gay for some of us is perfectly normal and that LGBT* people can and do form and maintain healthy and productive families, at that moment those groups will cease to have any relevancy.</p></blockquote>
<p>That fits with something that occurred to me as I was thinking more about this story. Jennings was a teacher, and, whether or not his advice was good, he was apparently a dedicated teacher. He also happens to be gay. He also never had any charges of misconduct brought against him.  For most of us that doesn&#8217;t come as a surprise, but NOM, IFI, CWA, and other groups with similar agendas can&#8217;t let it rest there. They have to have <b>something</b> to criticize, because the idea that someone can be a good teacher and also be gay is a threat to them. If he was a good teacher then Jennings undermines their baseless claim that homosexuals are inherently dangerous and a threat to society.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But, it’s a start. And, to the extent that general awareness grows about how anti-gay rhetoric exploits and harms kids, I’m convinced they’ll have to back off.&lt;i&gt;---Steve&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You make a good point though in my view these new tactics are just ploys to dodge mainstream criticism of messages that tend to cost NOM and other groups like it votes.

It should be abundantly clear that sunset is coming for NOM and all the other so-called &quot;family&quot; groups that have nothing to do with helping actual families. Children have been a convenient pick but even they are clearly being harmed by the likes of Gallagher &lt;i&gt;et al&lt;/i&gt; and people are noticing.

The instant NOM, IFI, CWA and the rest are forced to acknowledge that being gay for some of us is perfectly normal and that LGBT* people can and do form and maintain healthy and productive families, at that moment those groups will cease to have any relevancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But, it’s a start. And, to the extent that general awareness grows about how anti-gay rhetoric exploits and harms kids, I’m convinced they’ll have to back off.<i>&#8212;Steve</i></p></blockquote>
<p>You make a good point though in my view these new tactics are just ploys to dodge mainstream criticism of messages that tend to cost NOM and other groups like it votes.</p>
<p>It should be abundantly clear that sunset is coming for NOM and all the other so-called &#8220;family&#8221; groups that have nothing to do with helping actual families. Children have been a convenient pick but even they are clearly being harmed by the likes of Gallagher <i>et al</i> and people are noticing.</p>
<p>The instant NOM, IFI, CWA and the rest are forced to acknowledge that being gay for some of us is perfectly normal and that LGBT* people can and do form and maintain healthy and productive families, at that moment those groups will cease to have any relevancy.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No anti-gay interest group or individual will do anything that even remotely signals a willingness to normalize homosexuality.
&lt;i&gt;&#8212;David C.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hey David... I&#039;m not entirely convinced.

It seems to me that the anti-gay folks have had to reframe their rhetoric, giving up on attempts to re-criminalize sex and at least giving lip service like NOM&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c.omL2KeN0LzH/b.4475595/k.566A/Marriage_Talking_Points.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#1 talking point&lt;/a&gt; starting with &lt;i&gt;Gays and Lesbians have a right to live as they choose&lt;/i&gt;.

For many, it may be more cynical than authentic -- their pollsters and message-crafters tell them it&#039;s necessary to win support.

But, it&#039;s a start. And, to the extent that general awareness grows about how anti-gay rhetoric exploits and harms kids, I&#039;m convinced they&#039;ll have to back off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No anti-gay interest group or individual will do anything that even remotely signals a willingness to normalize homosexuality.<br />
<i>&#8212;David C.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Hey David&#8230; I&#8217;m not entirely convinced.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the anti-gay folks have had to reframe their rhetoric, giving up on attempts to re-criminalize sex and at least giving lip service like NOM&#8217;s <a href="http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c.omL2KeN0LzH/b.4475595/k.566A/Marriage_Talking_Points.htm" rel="nofollow">#1 talking point</a> starting with <i>Gays and Lesbians have a right to live as they choose</i>.</p>
<p>For many, it may be more cynical than authentic &#8212; their pollsters and message-crafters tell them it&#8217;s necessary to win support.</p>
<p>But, it&#8217;s a start. And, to the extent that general awareness grows about how anti-gay rhetoric exploits and harms kids, I&#8217;m convinced they&#8217;ll have to back off.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the story as an allegory.  A tale that was based roughly on a fact, but which evolved to meet a rhetorical need.

The Brewster story is one of epiphany, the point at which Jennings came face to face with his own inadequacies to address the situation and the realization that no one else was doing anything for the Brewsters of the world.

His tale is not one of appropriate response, but rather one of highlighting a need for change.  And Jennings did change, and in doing so he changed the world for thousands of other Brewsters out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the story as an allegory.  A tale that was based roughly on a fact, but which evolved to meet a rhetorical need.</p>
<p>The Brewster story is one of epiphany, the point at which Jennings came face to face with his own inadequacies to address the situation and the realization that no one else was doing anything for the Brewsters of the world.</p>
<p>His tale is not one of appropriate response, but rather one of highlighting a need for change.  And Jennings did change, and in doing so he changed the world for thousands of other Brewsters out there.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looking at Jennings&#039; text (out of context, of course) it seems that his *intent* in recounting this story is not to glorify his actions (e.g.,&quot;look at what sage words I gave this struggling youth&quot;). In fact in the retelling he prefaces his response with a bit of an excuse about why the response was poor. I&#039;d think differently about Jennings if he had held up his response as wholly admirable in retrospect.

No, it seems that the POINT of the story is that this isolated young man felt that his life was not worth living, and part of that was due to his isolation due to being gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looking at Jennings&#8217; text (out of context, of course) it seems that his *intent* in recounting this story is not to glorify his actions (e.g.,&#8221;look at what sage words I gave this struggling youth&#8221;). In fact in the retelling he prefaces his response with a bit of an excuse about why the response was poor. I&#8217;d think differently about Jennings if he had held up his response as wholly admirable in retrospect.</p>
<p>No, it seems that the POINT of the story is that this isolated young man felt that his life was not worth living, and part of that was due to his isolation due to being gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of us who are Jennings age more or less grew up with a lot of baggage, doubt and some fear. That we should attempt to lighten that load on the next generations of gay youth, but not at first be fully prepared to do so, is I believe understandable. To acknowledge those shortcomings as Jennings has done is commendable but does not disqualify him. If one cannot learn from our mistakes, then what human would ever be qualified?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of us who are Jennings age more or less grew up with a lot of baggage, doubt and some fear. That we should attempt to lighten that load on the next generations of gay youth, but not at first be fully prepared to do so, is I believe understandable. To acknowledge those shortcomings as Jennings has done is commendable but does not disqualify him. If one cannot learn from our mistakes, then what human would ever be qualified?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My immediate reaction to Dan&#039;s comment is: If every public figure were judged only on their faults, our nation would be in very sad shape. First one comes to mind is Ted Kennedy. He certainly had many issues which by themselves were very damaging, but even the things the general public knew helped balance that out. The many very private and personal acts of compassion and generosity that others shared at his death make his legacy even more substantial. Kevin Jennings was young, closeted and in a profession that in that time did not lend itself to being friendly to a gay man. He did the best he knew for then. His dedication to LGBT your through the founding of GLSEN must vindicate whatever may be seen as earlier failings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My immediate reaction to Dan&#8217;s comment is: If every public figure were judged only on their faults, our nation would be in very sad shape. First one comes to mind is Ted Kennedy. He certainly had many issues which by themselves were very damaging, but even the things the general public knew helped balance that out. The many very private and personal acts of compassion and generosity that others shared at his death make his legacy even more substantial. Kevin Jennings was young, closeted and in a profession that in that time did not lend itself to being friendly to a gay man. He did the best he knew for then. His dedication to LGBT your through the founding of GLSEN must vindicate whatever may be seen as earlier failings.</p>
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