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		<title>By: David Blakeslee</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/12/15488/comment-page-2#comment-57504</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blakeslee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote from others on this link,

&quot;Timothy,

I resent you calling Harry a kook. No I was not a Radical Faerie. Yes I was a member of the Gay Liberation Front in Berkeley in 1970. You probably consider that a kook group also.

Mark Barnes
San Francisco&quot;

There is no &quot;tactic&quot; here, Timothy, only tracking facts which my have been distorted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote from others on this link,</p>
<p>&#8220;Timothy,</p>
<p>I resent you calling Harry a kook. No I was not a Radical Faerie. Yes I was a member of the Gay Liberation Front in Berkeley in 1970. You probably consider that a kook group also.</p>
<p>Mark Barnes<br />
San Francisco&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no &#8220;tactic&#8221; here, Timothy, only tracking facts which my have been distorted.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blakeslee</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/12/15488/comment-page-2#comment-57503</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blakeslee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Timothy,

The echo chamber is here.

The person trying to &quot;shut down&quot; conversations is the person that applies a comments policy uni directionally.

The person engaging in the culture war is the one who wishes to use such simplistic phrases as &quot;anti-gay.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Timothy,</p>
<p>The echo chamber is here.</p>
<p>The person trying to &#8220;shut down&#8221; conversations is the person that applies a comments policy uni directionally.</p>
<p>The person engaging in the culture war is the one who wishes to use such simplistic phrases as &#8220;anti-gay.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/12/15488/comment-page-2#comment-57353</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Oh, I see the tactic.  Claim &quot;distortions&quot; in order to re-engage in a debate about old dead topics.  Sorry, I&#039;m not going to play your game here.

I&#039;ve addressed your accusations above and will not reopen that nonsense.  You will not be successful in hijacking the conversation.

This site does not welcome your Culture War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Oh, I see the tactic.  Claim &#8220;distortions&#8221; in order to re-engage in a debate about old dead topics.  Sorry, I&#8217;m not going to play your game here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve addressed your accusations above and will not reopen that nonsense.  You will not be successful in hijacking the conversation.</p>
<p>This site does not welcome your Culture War.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/12/15488/comment-page-2#comment-57348</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily,

David Blakeslee and I have a long history.  Experience suggests that if he is given much freedom he will use it to start fights, debate minutia, disrupt conversations, and engage in Culture War.  I do not take his comments lightly, I know where they lead.

I suspect his purpose here is to create an environment that is hostile and combatant and shut down conversation.  I&#039;ve seen that occur at another site and I am determined that it &lt;b&gt;will not happen&lt;/b&gt; at BTB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily,</p>
<p>David Blakeslee and I have a long history.  Experience suggests that if he is given much freedom he will use it to start fights, debate minutia, disrupt conversations, and engage in Culture War.  I do not take his comments lightly, I know where they lead.</p>
<p>I suspect his purpose here is to create an environment that is hostile and combatant and shut down conversation.  I&#8217;ve seen that occur at another site and I am determined that it <b>will not happen</b> at BTB.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blakeslee</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/12/15488/comment-page-2#comment-57289</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blakeslee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At Timothy,

you are persisting in distorting Jennings story about Brewster...he has never said it was allegorical.

You are attempting to portray Hay as a civil rights leader who deteriorated in his later years to a &quot;kook.&quot;  Such a deterioration is not supported by the facts, he always had some unusual beliefs.  Asserting a deterioration when there is a pattern of unusual beliefs throughout the lifespan is a distortion.

You have distorted the work by Warren with the Montgomery County Public Schools.

You assumed I knew of Jennings long before I knew of Hay, and impugned my motives based upon this wrong assumption.

There is more above...

Distortions may not be intentional lies; Sometimes we distort to protect a cherished belief or to allay anxiety...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Timothy,</p>
<p>you are persisting in distorting Jennings story about Brewster&#8230;he has never said it was allegorical.</p>
<p>You are attempting to portray Hay as a civil rights leader who deteriorated in his later years to a &#8220;kook.&#8221;  Such a deterioration is not supported by the facts, he always had some unusual beliefs.  Asserting a deterioration when there is a pattern of unusual beliefs throughout the lifespan is a distortion.</p>
<p>You have distorted the work by Warren with the Montgomery County Public Schools.</p>
<p>You assumed I knew of Jennings long before I knew of Hay, and impugned my motives based upon this wrong assumption.</p>
<p>There is more above&#8230;</p>
<p>Distortions may not be intentional lies; Sometimes we distort to protect a cherished belief or to allay anxiety&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Blakeslee</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/12/15488/comment-page-2#comment-57287</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blakeslee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;homo-obsessed right-wing guy&quot; See comments policy.  :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;homo-obsessed right-wing guy&#8221; See comments policy.  :).</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/12/15488/comment-page-2#comment-57286</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gee, Tim, guess since one homo-obsessed right-wing guy says you&#039;re wrong, that means you have to post an apology and a redaction! oh noes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gee, Tim, guess since one homo-obsessed right-wing guy says you&#8217;re wrong, that means you have to post an apology and a redaction! oh noes!</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/12/15488/comment-page-2#comment-57285</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blakeslee,

I&#039;m heading out and will address your accusations of distortion later.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Your perceptions of both people and events is inaccurate…perhaps purposely distorted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Insinuate that I&#039;m a liar here at this site one more time and you will be blocked permanently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blakeslee,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m heading out and will address your accusations of distortion later.</p>
<blockquote><p>Your perceptions of both people and events is inaccurate…perhaps purposely distorted.</p></blockquote>
<p>Insinuate that I&#8217;m a liar here at this site one more time and you will be blocked permanently.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blakeslee</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/12/15488/comment-page-2#comment-57284</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blakeslee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I noted the distortion regarding Jennings, and therefore Brewster, above (see October 15 post)

I think you&#039;ll find the distortion of Hay as a kook and &quot;not an icon,&quot; there also.

Your perceptions of both people and events is inaccurate...perhaps purposely distorted.

To repeat...you have gotten so many things wrong in this post have you considered corrections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I noted the distortion regarding Jennings, and therefore Brewster, above (see October 15 post)</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll find the distortion of Hay as a kook and &#8220;not an icon,&#8221; there also.</p>
<p>Your perceptions of both people and events is inaccurate&#8230;perhaps purposely distorted.</p>
<p>To repeat&#8230;you have gotten so many things wrong in this post have you considered corrections?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/12/15488/comment-page-2#comment-57169</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please explain what you mean by &quot;distortions about Jennings and Brewster; or Harry Hay&quot;.

That is a serious accusation.  I know that you have become accustomed to slinging personal slurs against me at other sites, but that will not be allowed at BTB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explain what you mean by &#8220;distortions about Jennings and Brewster; or Harry Hay&#8221;.</p>
<p>That is a serious accusation.  I know that you have become accustomed to slinging personal slurs against me at other sites, but that will not be allowed at BTB.</p>
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