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		<title>By: Elizabeth BaconSmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth BaconSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what I wrote in response to being made aware of this situation:

This whole situation is egregious.  That&#039;s a term I learned when I worked with abused and neglected children.  It means that whatever it applies to is so horrendous and horrific that its happening even once, just once, warrants action... it doesn&#039;t require happening more than once, as in enough to see a pattern of abuse, to where action becomes necessary.

Unfortunately, the blacks in Africa, seem to come under a different standard for outrage to be deemed justified.  

For me, it&#039;s not time to cut the strings in cases like this, it&#039;s time to attach some ropes... some serious ropes of support and defense of human rights being so egregiously violated that they cannot be ignored.  Cutting the strings of financial support, however, as your posting suggests, [ . . . ], seems a good idea to me.  For now, the most support I can be is with my name and message.    

When I went to the site through the link that Cate provided, I found this poem in one of the comments.  I find it to be a tragically representative commentary of how the human rights issues in Africa often end up being regarded by the rest of the world.

[I quoted the &quot;Anatomy of African Pathos&quot; poem here.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I wrote in response to being made aware of this situation:</p>
<p>This whole situation is egregious.  That&#8217;s a term I learned when I worked with abused and neglected children.  It means that whatever it applies to is so horrendous and horrific that its happening even once, just once, warrants action&#8230; it doesn&#8217;t require happening more than once, as in enough to see a pattern of abuse, to where action becomes necessary.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the blacks in Africa, seem to come under a different standard for outrage to be deemed justified.  </p>
<p>For me, it&#8217;s not time to cut the strings in cases like this, it&#8217;s time to attach some ropes&#8230; some serious ropes of support and defense of human rights being so egregiously violated that they cannot be ignored.  Cutting the strings of financial support, however, as your posting suggests, [ . . . ], seems a good idea to me.  For now, the most support I can be is with my name and message.    </p>
<p>When I went to the site through the link that Cate provided, I found this poem in one of the comments.  I find it to be a tragically representative commentary of how the human rights issues in Africa often end up being regarded by the rest of the world.</p>
<p>[I quoted the "Anatomy of African Pathos" poem here.]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;The Final Solution&#8221;? Gay Ugandans Could Face Death Penalty Under New Law &#171; Feminist Mama Galore</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;The Final Solution&#8221;? Gay Ugandans Could Face Death Penalty Under New Law &#171; Feminist Mama Galore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] definitions for &#8220;homosexual behavior&#8221;, extending the definition according to the blog Box Turtle Bulletin, from sexual activity to &#8220;merely touch[ing] another person with the intention of committing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: digg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#34;The Final Solution&#34;? Gay Ugandans Could Face Death Penalty Under New Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>digg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#34;The Final Solution&#34;? Gay Ugandans Could Face Death Penalty Under New Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: anteros</title>
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		<dc:creator>anteros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANATOMY OF AFRICAN PATHOS

The African
Suffers poverty
Differently
From humans

The African
Suffers pain
Differently
From Humans.

The African
Sorrows, bereaves
Differently
From humans

The African
Suffers torture
Differently
From humans
Because the African pain
Is painless pain.

The African
Starves differently
From humans
Because it is African
To starve.

The African female
Endures rape
Quite differently
From women

The African child
Is a child soldier
A slave child
Or a mere street child.

The African migrant
Is an illegal migrant:
No citizen
But a refugee
In his home.

The African dies
Differently
From humans.

The African’s
Birth mark
Is a black scar

The African
Is African:
Not human.

That is why
African leaders,
A little more African
Than Africans,
Insist on
African solutions
To the African
Pathos.

© 2006, Chris Magadza
From: Father and other poems
Publisher: Poetry International Web, 2006</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANATOMY OF AFRICAN PATHOS</p>
<p>The African<br />
Suffers poverty<br />
Differently<br />
From humans</p>
<p>The African<br />
Suffers pain<br />
Differently<br />
From Humans.</p>
<p>The African<br />
Sorrows, bereaves<br />
Differently<br />
From humans</p>
<p>The African<br />
Suffers torture<br />
Differently<br />
From humans<br />
Because the African pain<br />
Is painless pain.</p>
<p>The African<br />
Starves differently<br />
From humans<br />
Because it is African<br />
To starve.</p>
<p>The African female<br />
Endures rape<br />
Quite differently<br />
From women</p>
<p>The African child<br />
Is a child soldier<br />
A slave child<br />
Or a mere street child.</p>
<p>The African migrant<br />
Is an illegal migrant:<br />
No citizen<br />
But a refugee<br />
In his home.</p>
<p>The African dies<br />
Differently<br />
From humans.</p>
<p>The African’s<br />
Birth mark<br />
Is a black scar</p>
<p>The African<br />
Is African:<br />
Not human.</p>
<p>That is why<br />
African leaders,<br />
A little more African<br />
Than Africans,<br />
Insist on<br />
African solutions<br />
To the African<br />
Pathos.</p>
<p>© 2006, Chris Magadza<br />
From: Father and other poems<br />
Publisher: Poetry International Web, 2006</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Thurman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Thurman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Jim. Seems clear enough to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Jim. Seems clear enough to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our pre-conference notification is discussed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/03/06/9479&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our pre-conference notification is discussed <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/03/06/9479" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Thurman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Thurman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, grantdale. I did see the post-conference letter. So we don&#039;t know, unless someone wants to report on that, the true substance of the pre-conference Exodus advisory you allude to. It is duly noted, however, that you say there was one.

Not sure just where all Randy wanted to go do with his comment about the lack of concern among gay activists about other countries&#039; human rights violations. Maybe he felt that was true of entities other than this one. He&#039;ll have to clarify, if he wants to.

I am convinced there is enough smoke behind the scenes of the March conference for there to have been fire. It&#039;s a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, grantdale. I did see the post-conference letter. So we don&#8217;t know, unless someone wants to report on that, the true substance of the pre-conference Exodus advisory you allude to. It is duly noted, however, that you say there was one.</p>
<p>Not sure just where all Randy wanted to go do with his comment about the lack of concern among gay activists about other countries&#8217; human rights violations. Maybe he felt that was true of entities other than this one. He&#8217;ll have to clarify, if he wants to.</p>
<p>I am convinced there is enough smoke behind the scenes of the March conference for there to have been fire. It&#8217;s a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>linked on Mar 11, above.

Also, typo in my original post: the open letter to Exodus was AFTER the conference. I&#039;d had a sentence in about Alan Chambers being contacted well BEFORE the conference, but obviously also deleted the wrong tense when I gave that part the flick. The letter details the extended efforts made before the conference in any case -- I think the Feb 27 reference may be to one of those efforts.

It is also worth noting something -- for the record, and completely disproving Randy Thomas&#039; grossly offensive claim that &quot;These same activists then don’t consistently speak out about other countries or cultures that have enormous human rights abuses (along these same lines or worse.)&quot;

Search here at BTB, or at XGW, or at TWO... and you&#039;ll find a long list of posts dating back years on that very subject; including the infamous trip by Exodus Global to Barbados in blatant support of the criminal laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>linked on Mar 11, above.</p>
<p>Also, typo in my original post: the open letter to Exodus was AFTER the conference. I&#8217;d had a sentence in about Alan Chambers being contacted well BEFORE the conference, but obviously also deleted the wrong tense when I gave that part the flick. The letter details the extended efforts made before the conference in any case &#8212; I think the Feb 27 reference may be to one of those efforts.</p>
<p>It is also worth noting something &#8212; for the record, and completely disproving Randy Thomas&#8217; grossly offensive claim that &#8220;These same activists then don’t consistently speak out about other countries or cultures that have enormous human rights abuses (along these same lines or worse.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Search here at BTB, or at XGW, or at TWO&#8230; and you&#8217;ll find a long list of posts dating back years on that very subject; including the infamous trip by Exodus Global to Barbados in blatant support of the criminal laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Thurman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Thurman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Read the letter sent to Exodus before the conference, if nothing else. Exodus’ behaviour — then and now — can only be described as wilful and culpable.&quot;

Thanks, grantdale. For once, I am finding myself in agreement with you. I am certainly not being coy, and the record (read Throckmorton&#039;s blog) will bear that out. 

I saw a reference to a Feb. 27 letter to Exodus, but I cannot find a link to the letter itself. So that I do not have to wade through a mountain of long reports here, could someone please provide the link to the letter? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Read the letter sent to Exodus before the conference, if nothing else. Exodus’ behaviour — then and now — can only be described as wilful and culpable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks, grantdale. For once, I am finding myself in agreement with you. I am certainly not being coy, and the record (read Throckmorton&#8217;s blog) will bear that out. </p>
<p>I saw a reference to a Feb. 27 letter to Exodus, but I cannot find a link to the letter itself. So that I do not have to wade through a mountain of long reports here, could someone please provide the link to the letter? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what Randy Thomas quoted of Don Schmierer on the Exodus blog [a similar post there was deleted]:
&lt;blockquote&gt;From Randy Thomas on the Exodus Blog: I asked Don… about his thoughts on what is happening now in Uganda. He responded:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;What this David Bahati is introducing does not reflect the Ugandans that I have ministered too. The only place where I have run into this thinking is from some former Russian hardliners and that was only a very small percentage of the participants attending my seminars. After some challenges from me (except for one person) they softened up and came around to a more redemptive position.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

____________________________________

How does Schmierer’s statement compare with what one of his associates in Uganda, Stephen Langa of the Family Life Network, has been doing – after the conference Schmierer attended, for instance [http://www.monitor.co.ug/artman/publish/news/Homosexuality_threat_to_Ugandans_activists_83727.shtml]:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Activists against homosexuality in Uganda stormed parliament on Tuesday protesting against the practice and demanded a probe into the practice in the country. The activists who were holding banners denouncing the activity were led by the Family Life Network in conjunction with religious leaders.

The groups led by the Executive Director of Family Life Network, Mr Stephen Langa while handing over their petition to the Deputy Speaker, Ms Rebecca Kadaga said the Parliamentary select committee should also assess the extent of the damage homosexuality has caused to children and Ugandans.

…Mr Langa said the homosexuals under the group Sexual Minorities Uganda spend huge sums of money to recruit University students and those in secondary schools into homosexuality. They did not give details.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

____________________________________

Another Uganda news outlet, UGPulse [http://www.ugpulse.com/articles/daily/news.asp?about=Civil%20society%20petitions%20Parliament%20over%20homosexuality%20vice&amp;ID=9749], reported that Deputy Speaker Kadaga “promised to push for the amendment of Article 31 of the Constitution which prohibits homosexual marriages. Langa had earlier noted that the article prohibits gay marriages but not the actions.”The Daily Monitor’s article indicates that the group explained that they wanted the proposed amendment to be broadened to “openly prohibit homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexuality and other related practices.”
____________________________________

Then there was the time Langa sponsored a press conference in which another allegedly “former gay activist” Paul Kagaba accused a very popular Catholic priest and gospel singer, Fr. Anthony Musaala, of being gay.
____________________________________

The blogger GayUganda is has reported that Stephen Langa, the director of Family Life Network, spoke on Ugandan FM radio stations advocating the arrests of Ugandan LGBT leaders. [http://gayuganda.blogspot.com/2009/03/anti-gay-agenda.html]
____________________________________

Furthermore Dr Throckmorton has reported that the FLN - thus Langa - is directly behind the Ugandan bill [http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/10/19/dispatch-from-uganda-family-life-network-identified-as-backing-effort/comment-page-1/].
____________________________________

Now how is it that these actions by Langa are not supportive of Bahati’s bill on homosexuality? Schmierer certainly didn’t “soften up” Langa and get him to “come around.”   All of these activities of Langa and the FLN happened in conjunction with or after the conference.  

… … …</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what Randy Thomas quoted of Don Schmierer on the Exodus blog [a similar post there was deleted]:</p>
<blockquote><p>From Randy Thomas on the Exodus Blog: I asked Don… about his thoughts on what is happening now in Uganda. He responded:</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>What this David Bahati is introducing does not reflect the Ugandans that I have ministered too. The only place where I have run into this thinking is from some former Russian hardliners and that was only a very small percentage of the participants attending my seminars. After some challenges from me (except for one person) they softened up and came around to a more redemptive position.</p></blockquote>
<p>____________________________________</p>
<p>How does Schmierer’s statement compare with what one of his associates in Uganda, Stephen Langa of the Family Life Network, has been doing – after the conference Schmierer attended, for instance [http://www.monitor.co.ug/artman/publish/news/Homosexuality_threat_to_Ugandans_activists_83727.shtml]:</p>
<blockquote><p>Activists against homosexuality in Uganda stormed parliament on Tuesday protesting against the practice and demanded a probe into the practice in the country. The activists who were holding banners denouncing the activity were led by the Family Life Network in conjunction with religious leaders.</p>
<p>The groups led by the Executive Director of Family Life Network, Mr Stephen Langa while handing over their petition to the Deputy Speaker, Ms Rebecca Kadaga said the Parliamentary select committee should also assess the extent of the damage homosexuality has caused to children and Ugandans.</p>
<p>…Mr Langa said the homosexuals under the group Sexual Minorities Uganda spend huge sums of money to recruit University students and those in secondary schools into homosexuality. They did not give details.</p></blockquote>
<p>____________________________________</p>
<p>Another Uganda news outlet, UGPulse [http://www.ugpulse.com/articles/daily/news.asp?about=Civil%20society%20petitions%20Parliament%20over%20homosexuality%20vice&amp;ID=9749], reported that Deputy Speaker Kadaga “promised to push for the amendment of Article 31 of the Constitution which prohibits homosexual marriages. Langa had earlier noted that the article prohibits gay marriages but not the actions.”The Daily Monitor’s article indicates that the group explained that they wanted the proposed amendment to be broadened to “openly prohibit homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexuality and other related practices.”<br />
____________________________________</p>
<p>Then there was the time Langa sponsored a press conference in which another allegedly “former gay activist” Paul Kagaba accused a very popular Catholic priest and gospel singer, Fr. Anthony Musaala, of being gay.<br />
____________________________________</p>
<p>The blogger GayUganda is has reported that Stephen Langa, the director of Family Life Network, spoke on Ugandan FM radio stations advocating the arrests of Ugandan LGBT leaders. [http://gayuganda.blogspot.com/2009/03/anti-gay-agenda.html]<br />
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<p>Furthermore Dr Throckmorton has reported that the FLN &#8211; thus Langa &#8211; is directly behind the Ugandan bill [http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/10/19/dispatch-from-uganda-family-life-network-identified-as-backing-effort/comment-page-1/].<br />
____________________________________</p>
<p>Now how is it that these actions by Langa are not supportive of Bahati’s bill on homosexuality? Schmierer certainly didn’t “soften up” Langa and get him to “come around.”   All of these activities of Langa and the FLN happened in conjunction with or after the conference.  </p>
<p>… … …</p>
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