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	<title>Comments on: Maine&#8217;s Q1 &#8220;Yes&#8221; Spokesman Admits to Lying</title>
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		<title>By: ravenbiker</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/19/15791/comment-page-1#comment-52539</link>
		<dc:creator>ravenbiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a surprise because...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a surprise because&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/19/15791/comment-page-1#comment-52441</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is OK for Christians to lie, deceive, mislead, misrepresent, slander, malign, and generally promote falsehoods if they are doing it to keep the Baby Jesus from crying.

Everybody knows that every time a gay couple gets married the poor little Baby Jesus gets terrible diaper rash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is OK for Christians to lie, deceive, mislead, misrepresent, slander, malign, and generally promote falsehoods if they are doing it to keep the Baby Jesus from crying.</p>
<p>Everybody knows that every time a gay couple gets married the poor little Baby Jesus gets terrible diaper rash.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent them an email with my comments. Haven&#039;t heard from them.

what does it take to get people involved in these campaigns to THINK? I went to the no on 8 office repeatedly to talk to them about having a speakers bureau for community outreach. they weren&#039;t interested. And we can see where that got us.

Is this more of the same? Holy  mackerel, Batman, I sure as hell hope not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent them an email with my comments. Haven&#8217;t heard from them.</p>
<p>what does it take to get people involved in these campaigns to THINK? I went to the no on 8 office repeatedly to talk to them about having a speakers bureau for community outreach. they weren&#8217;t interested. And we can see where that got us.</p>
<p>Is this more of the same? Holy  mackerel, Batman, I sure as hell hope not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/19/15791/comment-page-1#comment-52245</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it has been 3 days since this bombshell, and as far as I know, No on 1 has not even commented on it.  Not even a press release.

I frankly don&#039;t understand this.  It either is the result of a conscious  tactical choice on their part or else complete and total incompetence.  If the former, they are totally and tragically wrong; if the latter, then one can only hope that the incompetence is limited to this one item.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it has been 3 days since this bombshell, and as far as I know, No on 1 has not even commented on it.  Not even a press release.</p>
<p>I frankly don&#8217;t understand this.  It either is the result of a conscious  tactical choice on their part or else complete and total incompetence.  If the former, they are totally and tragically wrong; if the latter, then one can only hope that the incompetence is limited to this one item.</p>
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		<title>By: TheColu.mn &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The National: The Feds Attack Housing Discrimination</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheColu.mn &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The National: The Feds Attack Housing Discrimination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; Opponents of same-gender marriage in Maine admit they lied in suggesting &#8220;homosexuality will be taught in public schools&#8221; with a TV ad earlier [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure that this would withstand any attempts at suppression for libel or slander. And for once, it tells the truth instead of trying to be nice about it.

As I have also said repeatedly, I would rather lose because we have told the truth than be complicit in the ongoing attempts of our political leaders to keep everything in the closet.

And I absolutely believe that the failure to use this statement of Mutt&#039;s is just another example of the closet mentality. The closet is always about hiding the truth behind a nicely appointed door. It&#039;s not sexuality that gets closeted. It is the TRUTH that goes into the closet, and we ignore that FACT at our peril.

The closet tends to produce Mr. Nice Fag, our very own Steppin Fetchit. Lawsa No, massa, we can&#039;t talk about children, prejudice, and religion, lest we offend the very people who attack us, or who at least are willing to agree to the attacks of others. NEWSFLASH: our existence offends them.

Coming out with the truth is never going to sway the hard-core haters. You cannot reach people who are, by definition, irretrievably poisoned by their hate, whether they prefer to call it religious belief, or admit it for what it is. But there are reasonable people-- if uninformed, ignorant, non-conscious-- who are scared. (Remember when you were in the closet yourself?) They probably don&#039;t know any gay people, and they don&#039;t know why we should be complaining. I sincerely doubt that they understand or question centuries of irrational hatred.

But they do understand being lied to. They might empathize with being the victim of prejudice. 
They need to be told they are being lied to, and why. With proof. These are the people who can be reached, and we need just half of them to win..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure that this would withstand any attempts at suppression for libel or slander. And for once, it tells the truth instead of trying to be nice about it.</p>
<p>As I have also said repeatedly, I would rather lose because we have told the truth than be complicit in the ongoing attempts of our political leaders to keep everything in the closet.</p>
<p>And I absolutely believe that the failure to use this statement of Mutt&#8217;s is just another example of the closet mentality. The closet is always about hiding the truth behind a nicely appointed door. It&#8217;s not sexuality that gets closeted. It is the TRUTH that goes into the closet, and we ignore that FACT at our peril.</p>
<p>The closet tends to produce Mr. Nice Fag, our very own Steppin Fetchit. Lawsa No, massa, we can&#8217;t talk about children, prejudice, and religion, lest we offend the very people who attack us, or who at least are willing to agree to the attacks of others. NEWSFLASH: our existence offends them.</p>
<p>Coming out with the truth is never going to sway the hard-core haters. You cannot reach people who are, by definition, irretrievably poisoned by their hate, whether they prefer to call it religious belief, or admit it for what it is. But there are reasonable people&#8211; if uninformed, ignorant, non-conscious&#8211; who are scared. (Remember when you were in the closet yourself?) They probably don&#8217;t know any gay people, and they don&#8217;t know why we should be complaining. I sincerely doubt that they understand or question centuries of irrational hatred.</p>
<p>But they do understand being lied to. They might empathize with being the victim of prejudice.<br />
They need to be told they are being lied to, and why. With proof. These are the people who can be reached, and we need just half of them to win..</p>
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		<title>By: hb</title>
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		<dc:creator>hb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes on 1 used an NPR clip in their new ad.  And NPR wants it pulled.

http://updates.pressherald.mainetoday.com/updates/npr-wants-same-sex-marriage-ad-pulled

&quot;...this afternoon, Rehm said, NPR sent a cease and desist notice to the ad agency that produced an ad, and to Stand for Marriage Maine, with the expectation that &quot;any use of NPR content in this manner will stop immediately.&quot;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes on 1 used an NPR clip in their new ad.  And NPR wants it pulled.</p>
<p><a href="http://updates.pressherald.mainetoday.com/updates/npr-wants-same-sex-marriage-ad-pulled" rel="nofollow">http://updates.pressherald.mainetoday.com/updates/npr-wants-same-sex-marriage-ad-pulled</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;this afternoon, Rehm said, NPR sent a cease and desist notice to the ad agency that produced an ad, and to Stand for Marriage Maine, with the expectation that &#8220;any use of NPR content in this manner will stop immediately.&#8221;"</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ad should be very factual:

The screen shows Mutt and his statement about teaching kids homosexuality.

This would be MY voiceover:

&quot;The Nat&#039;l Organization for Marriage has claimed repeatedly that children would be taught homosexuality if marriage equality for same-sex couples is approved. Yet on October 19, NOM spokesman Mark Mutt stated this:

Show his statement AND READ IT OUT.

Voiceover the written words &quot;Why are they lying?&quot;

Voiceover: &quot;In short, Mr. Mutt has admitted that his campaign up to this point has been a lie, a lie intended to scare the voters into voting against marriage rights for their gay and lesbian neighbors. He has called the Attorney General of this state a liar for stating what he clearly admits is true:

Marriage Equality will have no effect on what is taught in our schools. 

Why would someone who claims to stand for marriage and traditional morality tell a lie like this?

Maybe because his position has nothing to do either morality or traditional marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ad should be very factual:</p>
<p>The screen shows Mutt and his statement about teaching kids homosexuality.</p>
<p>This would be MY voiceover:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Nat&#8217;l Organization for Marriage has claimed repeatedly that children would be taught homosexuality if marriage equality for same-sex couples is approved. Yet on October 19, NOM spokesman Mark Mutt stated this:</p>
<p>Show his statement AND READ IT OUT.</p>
<p>Voiceover the written words &#8220;Why are they lying?&#8221;</p>
<p>Voiceover: &#8220;In short, Mr. Mutt has admitted that his campaign up to this point has been a lie, a lie intended to scare the voters into voting against marriage rights for their gay and lesbian neighbors. He has called the Attorney General of this state a liar for stating what he clearly admits is true:</p>
<p>Marriage Equality will have no effect on what is taught in our schools. </p>
<p>Why would someone who claims to stand for marriage and traditional morality tell a lie like this?</p>
<p>Maybe because his position has nothing to do either morality or traditional marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with everything Ben In Oakland says, but on his main point I completely and emphatically agree.  If No on 1 doesn&#039;t use this to full effect, then they have no one to blame but themselves if they lose.  This is a clear opportunity to eviscerate the fear-based campaign that the Yessers have run.  It warrants an ad of its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with everything Ben In Oakland says, but on his main point I completely and emphatically agree.  If No on 1 doesn&#8217;t use this to full effect, then they have no one to blame but themselves if they lose.  This is a clear opportunity to eviscerate the fear-based campaign that the Yessers have run.  It warrants an ad of its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is this: If they don&#039;t run with this, and make this a centerpoint of the remaining days of the campaign, then we might as well give up the fight now. Running with it means not only calling out the lie, but talking about anti-gay prejudice as a motivator in this whole thing. we don&#039;t have to call anyone a bitgot, but we do have to start talking about bigotry.

I have said two things repeatedly. We must be very direct and very forceful on three subjects: children, religion, and bigotry. So far, all of the campaigns have been pretty wishy-washy on all three, though at least children are finally receiving some airplay.

Second, the enemy is not the right wing. the enemy is the closet, and our complicity in the closet. Until people come out to everyone they know, without exception, this garbage will continue to resonate, and we will continue to lose.

And yes. I donated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is this: If they don&#8217;t run with this, and make this a centerpoint of the remaining days of the campaign, then we might as well give up the fight now. Running with it means not only calling out the lie, but talking about anti-gay prejudice as a motivator in this whole thing. we don&#8217;t have to call anyone a bitgot, but we do have to start talking about bigotry.</p>
<p>I have said two things repeatedly. We must be very direct and very forceful on three subjects: children, religion, and bigotry. So far, all of the campaigns have been pretty wishy-washy on all three, though at least children are finally receiving some airplay.</p>
<p>Second, the enemy is not the right wing. the enemy is the closet, and our complicity in the closet. Until people come out to everyone they know, without exception, this garbage will continue to resonate, and we will continue to lose.</p>
<p>And yes. I donated.</p>
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