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	<title>Comments on: Ft. Worth Police:  We Did No Wrong in Rainbow Lounge Raid</title>
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		<title>By: Nevada Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nevada Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After decades of internal investigations finding no wrong with police actions, I&#039;m way past wondering if there is even one wrong finding in all of the states and all investigations.  I just don&#039;t think it happens.

And they are indeed wrong to cover their asses; it&#039;s the usual choice of immediate benefit over long term bigger benefit.  Because the suspicion of mistrust has spread into the mainstream.

It&#039;s not just gay, hispanic, black or other minorities that fear the cops anymore, and obviously rightly so.  

When I first started my campaign of mistrust regarding cops, some twenty years ago, mine was a lone voice, considered extreme.  Recently, a friend who has always been a devoted defender of law enforcement came over to the dark side.  I guess it hit closer to home, once she had to face what used to be limited to criminals and minorities - lying, corrupt cops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After decades of internal investigations finding no wrong with police actions, I&#8217;m way past wondering if there is even one wrong finding in all of the states and all investigations.  I just don&#8217;t think it happens.</p>
<p>And they are indeed wrong to cover their asses; it&#8217;s the usual choice of immediate benefit over long term bigger benefit.  Because the suspicion of mistrust has spread into the mainstream.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just gay, hispanic, black or other minorities that fear the cops anymore, and obviously rightly so.  </p>
<p>When I first started my campaign of mistrust regarding cops, some twenty years ago, mine was a lone voice, considered extreme.  Recently, a friend who has always been a devoted defender of law enforcement came over to the dark side.  I guess it hit closer to home, once she had to face what used to be limited to criminals and minorities &#8211; lying, corrupt cops.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No officers will be fired.&quot;

Now slap a certain preposition on the end of that sentence and see if the meaning changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No officers will be fired.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now slap a certain preposition on the end of that sentence and see if the meaning changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindoro Almaviva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindoro Almaviva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we knew all along that they were going to say &lt;i&gt;We didn&#039;t do anything wrong&lt;/i&gt;. Now it is up to the courts to tell them their 1000 page report is as good as toilet paper.

Let the suits begin and let them pay for all the damages until they are broke. God know if that happened to be I would file a suit faster than the ink in that report is half-way dry.

Where is the ACLU in all this? where they expecting them to finish this farce before they filed? Were they expecting that this time they were going to do the right thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we knew all along that they were going to say <i>We didn&#8217;t do anything wrong</i>. Now it is up to the courts to tell them their 1000 page report is as good as toilet paper.</p>
<p>Let the suits begin and let them pay for all the damages until they are broke. God know if that happened to be I would file a suit faster than the ink in that report is half-way dry.</p>
<p>Where is the ACLU in all this? where they expecting them to finish this farce before they filed? Were they expecting that this time they were going to do the right thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken in Riverside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken in Riverside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crooks with badges and guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crooks with badges and guns.</p>
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		<title>By: penguinsaur</title>
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		<dc:creator>penguinsaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is just horrib... *police smash down my door with an &#039;anonymous tip&#039; to justify it, smash my head open and I wake up with a concussion, a massive hospital bill and a police report saying that I was injured as they tried to restrain me from raping a child, as those homos are prone to do*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is just horrib&#8230; *police smash down my door with an &#8216;anonymous tip&#8217; to justify it, smash my head open and I wake up with a concussion, a massive hospital bill and a police report saying that I was injured as they tried to restrain me from raping a child, as those homos are prone to do*</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve followed the Rainbow Raid since Day One and been inexchanges with some of those directly and indirectly involved. Today I&#039;m not sure which saddens me more - the loss in Maine of marriage rights or the loss of human dignity in FW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve followed the Rainbow Raid since Day One and been inexchanges with some of those directly and indirectly involved. Today I&#8217;m not sure which saddens me more &#8211; the loss in Maine of marriage rights or the loss of human dignity in FW.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chistopher, 

I wasn&#039;t adequately clear.  I meant the police could have stopped it if called sooner.  I&#039;ve amended the commentary to make it clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chistopher, </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t adequately clear.  I meant the police could have stopped it if called sooner.  I&#8217;ve amended the commentary to make it clearer.</p>
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		<title>By: Trovore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trovore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously the solution is to hold meetings and candlelight vigils and lay back and take whatever Texas dishes out.  Piece of crap state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously the solution is to hold meetings and candlelight vigils and lay back and take whatever Texas dishes out.  Piece of crap state.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Waldrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Waldrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are times when the police will close ranks even around those in their midst whom they know are wrong because they&#039;re afraid that admitting any responsibility &lt;i&gt;even when they&#039;re wrong&lt;/i&gt; will make them vulnerable to a lot of unjustified attacks. And maybe there&#039;s some truth to that, but it doesn&#039;t matter. Protecting wrong-doers in their midst undermines the whole police force.

As for the rape case and those who &quot;could have stopped it sooner&quot;, I&#039;ve heard very few police officers recommending that people try to stop crimes they&#039;re witnessing. As awful as it is, and as much as I&#039;d like to stop a rape or other crime, I&#039;d be afraid of making the situation worse by not calling for professional assistance. And that&#039;s what&#039;s really bad about something like the Rainbow Bar raid--it makes me question just how professional the police really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are times when the police will close ranks even around those in their midst whom they know are wrong because they&#8217;re afraid that admitting any responsibility <i>even when they&#8217;re wrong</i> will make them vulnerable to a lot of unjustified attacks. And maybe there&#8217;s some truth to that, but it doesn&#8217;t matter. Protecting wrong-doers in their midst undermines the whole police force.</p>
<p>As for the rape case and those who &#8220;could have stopped it sooner&#8221;, I&#8217;ve heard very few police officers recommending that people try to stop crimes they&#8217;re witnessing. As awful as it is, and as much as I&#8217;d like to stop a rape or other crime, I&#8217;d be afraid of making the situation worse by not calling for professional assistance. And that&#8217;s what&#8217;s really bad about something like the Rainbow Bar raid&#8211;it makes me question just how professional the police really are.</p>
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