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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the same line of reasoning:

&quot;God is dead.&quot; Nietsche

&quot;Nietsche is dead.&quot; God</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the same line of reasoning:</p>
<p>&#8220;God is dead.&#8221; Nietsche</p>
<p>&#8220;Nietsche is dead.&#8221; God</p>
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		<title>By: KZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She started laughing...&quot;

I would have laughed too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She started laughing&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I would have laughed too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/11/07/16442/comment-page-1#comment-53915</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarred... of course you exist. I post, therefore I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarred&#8230; of course you exist. I post, therefore I am.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Does anyone still not believe that gay rights and christian ones are incompatible?&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s really hard to tell sometimes if someone is being sarcastic or not...but if someone can freely harass not only their co-workers over perceived ungodliness, but also their company&#039;s customers too, then isn&#039;t it the case that Christian rights not only trump gay rights, but everyone else&#039;s?

I suppose the answer is yes...but still...

Anyway...  Happy Holidays Joel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Does anyone still not believe that gay rights and christian ones are incompatible?</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s really hard to tell sometimes if someone is being sarcastic or not&#8230;but if someone can freely harass not only their co-workers over perceived ungodliness, but also their company&#8217;s customers too, then isn&#8217;t it the case that Christian rights not only trump gay rights, but everyone else&#8217;s?</p>
<p>I suppose the answer is yes&#8230;but still&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;  Happy Holidays Joel!</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/11/07/16442/comment-page-1#comment-53890</link>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone still not believe that gay rights and christian ones are incompatible?

The most annoying things about christian rights is.. like what one can deduce from BenInOakland&#039;s statement.&quot;How much pain, misery, and suffering do you endorse for others while you obsess over what makes MY dick hard&quot;. Is that it encompasses more than themselves. Christian rights extend into everyones rights... not just those that possess it. It is this very nature that makes it weaker than the rest.

christians have the divine command to stand for gods truths. This includes  getting in yo face about things like what do you do with yout XXX... The bible is overflowing with sanctions of the intimate kind.

Yes, if your a christian, you will continue to be assaulted on your god given rights due to its far reaching nature. First it was slaves, then it was women... now its gays.

Christianity bestows christians with the right to do exactly what this person did. This is, to me, another case of gay rights trumping christian ones.


Gay rights dont care for what you do with your ... It rather gives you the right to do with it as you please.
Christians rights run starkly in contrast. Even more than just caring about it they are ultimately called to get rid of the right to do with your dingy as you please as it runs counter to god&#039;s laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone still not believe that gay rights and christian ones are incompatible?</p>
<p>The most annoying things about christian rights is.. like what one can deduce from BenInOakland&#8217;s statement.&#8221;How much pain, misery, and suffering do you endorse for others while you obsess over what makes MY dick hard&#8221;. Is that it encompasses more than themselves. Christian rights extend into everyones rights&#8230; not just those that possess it. It is this very nature that makes it weaker than the rest.</p>
<p>christians have the divine command to stand for gods truths. This includes  getting in yo face about things like what do you do with yout XXX&#8230; The bible is overflowing with sanctions of the intimate kind.</p>
<p>Yes, if your a christian, you will continue to be assaulted on your god given rights due to its far reaching nature. First it was slaves, then it was women&#8230; now its gays.</p>
<p>Christianity bestows christians with the right to do exactly what this person did. This is, to me, another case of gay rights trumping christian ones.</p>
<p>Gay rights dont care for what you do with your &#8230; It rather gives you the right to do with it as you please.<br />
Christians rights run starkly in contrast. Even more than just caring about it they are ultimately called to get rid of the right to do with your dingy as you please as it runs counter to god&#8217;s laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/11/07/16442/comment-page-1#comment-53888</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Only the truly iggerunt and fearful believe in witches any more,&lt;/i&gt;

Erm, not true, Ben.  I assure you that I exist and that people believe in me.

Granted, I bear almost no resemblance to the any of the &quot;witches&quot; born of Christian-fed fear and hatred, but still....;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Only the truly iggerunt and fearful believe in witches any more,</i></p>
<p>Erm, not true, Ben.  I assure you that I exist and that people believe in me.</p>
<p>Granted, I bear almost no resemblance to the any of the &#8220;witches&#8221; born of Christian-fed fear and hatred, but still&#8230;.;)</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with GEL above; it&#039;s reasonable for a company to assume that a client or customer could just as likely have been in place of the co-worker. And that is just bad for business, period. Right now the last thing businesses want are customers that take their money elsewhere. Termination would be a valid option, especially during the standard probationary period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with GEL above; it&#8217;s reasonable for a company to assume that a client or customer could just as likely have been in place of the co-worker. And that is just bad for business, period. Right now the last thing businesses want are customers that take their money elsewhere. Termination would be a valid option, especially during the standard probationary period.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenEyedLilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenEyedLilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds much too familiar.  I am *really* familiar with the double standards as a bi woman--like Burr and Leonard Drake said, what constitues &quot;normal conversation&quot; when it&#039;s about an opposite-sex partner becomes &quot;flaunting&quot; when it&#039;s about a same-sex partner.  I remember, too, being really excited about my wedding and subjecting a lot of people to wedding talk.  Ideally, it&#039;s something to be excited about!

I wonder how many other people &quot;need&quot; to have Vidala figuratively s*** in their figurative punchbowl when all they are doing is living their lives and being themselves.  I would bet money that the woman was talking with her acquaintances there, answering questions, making casual statements like, &quot;I need to go pick up our dresses this afternoon.&quot;  If it wasn&#039;t a co-worker, odds are that Vidala would have offended a customer by telling them what they &quot;needed&quot; soon enough.

Some people have egos like balloons--inflated large, but hollow inside and easily destroyed at a light touch.  Happy and secure people do not take the fact that someone lives in a way they wouldn&#039;t as a personal insult.  I am tired of balloon-ego people who think the entire world must be laid out according to their specs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds much too familiar.  I am *really* familiar with the double standards as a bi woman&#8211;like Burr and Leonard Drake said, what constitues &#8220;normal conversation&#8221; when it&#8217;s about an opposite-sex partner becomes &#8220;flaunting&#8221; when it&#8217;s about a same-sex partner.  I remember, too, being really excited about my wedding and subjecting a lot of people to wedding talk.  Ideally, it&#8217;s something to be excited about!</p>
<p>I wonder how many other people &#8220;need&#8221; to have Vidala figuratively s*** in their figurative punchbowl when all they are doing is living their lives and being themselves.  I would bet money that the woman was talking with her acquaintances there, answering questions, making casual statements like, &#8220;I need to go pick up our dresses this afternoon.&#8221;  If it wasn&#8217;t a co-worker, odds are that Vidala would have offended a customer by telling them what they &#8220;needed&#8221; soon enough.</p>
<p>Some people have egos like balloons&#8211;inflated large, but hollow inside and easily destroyed at a light touch.  Happy and secure people do not take the fact that someone lives in a way they wouldn&#8217;t as a personal insult.  I am tired of balloon-ego people who think the entire world must be laid out according to their specs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But termination is extremely draconian and is akin to killing a mosquito with a sledgehammer...&lt;/i&gt;

As I read it, he was only a few weeks into his employment there.  That&#039;s usually a probationary period in most places, and during that time you can be let go with very little cause, other then in the opinion of management you&#039;re just not working out.  I suspect this is why he didn&#039;t make this an EEOC case, but went straight to the hate mongers instead.  Furthermore, one doesn&#039;t just go to Mass Resistance for support.  I suspect he, or someone in his family, or his church, already had a relationship with them before this.

They may be working themselves up to an Alliance Fund lawsuit over this.  Be nice to have him on the witness stand and ask if he&#039;d tell a Brookstone customer the same thing he told his co-worker.  I&#039;m pretty sure he&#039;d proudly say that, yes, he would, because God would want him to.  Let them win their lawsuit with that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But termination is extremely draconian and is akin to killing a mosquito with a sledgehammer&#8230;</i></p>
<p>As I read it, he was only a few weeks into his employment there.  That&#8217;s usually a probationary period in most places, and during that time you can be let go with very little cause, other then in the opinion of management you&#8217;re just not working out.  I suspect this is why he didn&#8217;t make this an EEOC case, but went straight to the hate mongers instead.  Furthermore, one doesn&#8217;t just go to Mass Resistance for support.  I suspect he, or someone in his family, or his church, already had a relationship with them before this.</p>
<p>They may be working themselves up to an Alliance Fund lawsuit over this.  Be nice to have him on the witness stand and ask if he&#8217;d tell a Brookstone customer the same thing he told his co-worker.  I&#8217;m pretty sure he&#8217;d proudly say that, yes, he would, because God would want him to.  Let them win their lawsuit with that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anchorage Activist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchorage Activist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PW - There should NEVER be any &quot;unwritten&quot; standards; expected standards of &quot;civility and courtesy&quot; should always be clearly spelled out to avoid misunderstanding. With the advent of forced multiculturalism in this country, there are no longer any common standards of civility and courtesy.

I would agree that since Vidala was in a management position, some disciplinary action would be warranted. But termination is extremely draconian and is akin to killing a mosquito with a sledgehammer. A brief unpaid suspension would have been more proportional to the actual severity of the infraction.

We must cure ourselves of our vindictiveness and mean-spiritedness as a people. Americans have never been a more vindictive people than we are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PW &#8211; There should NEVER be any &#8220;unwritten&#8221; standards; expected standards of &#8220;civility and courtesy&#8221; should always be clearly spelled out to avoid misunderstanding. With the advent of forced multiculturalism in this country, there are no longer any common standards of civility and courtesy.</p>
<p>I would agree that since Vidala was in a management position, some disciplinary action would be warranted. But termination is extremely draconian and is akin to killing a mosquito with a sledgehammer. A brief unpaid suspension would have been more proportional to the actual severity of the infraction.</p>
<p>We must cure ourselves of our vindictiveness and mean-spiritedness as a people. Americans have never been a more vindictive people than we are now.</p>
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