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		<title>By: Robert in San Diego</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert in San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was out driving the other day and in 2 different occasions idiots ran their left turn red light, therby keeping me sitting with a green light. You know I called them a fag for being inconsiderate and keeping me sitting there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was out driving the other day and in 2 different occasions idiots ran their left turn red light, therby keeping me sitting with a green light. You know I called them a fag for being inconsiderate and keeping me sitting there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 - I don&#039;t think GLAAD was asking or Demanding South Park to do anything.

2 - It&#039;s GLAAD&#039;s job to blow the whistle on these issues, big and small because...

3 - It leads to, if nothing else, &lt;i&gt;conversations&lt;/i&gt; like this very thread.

How are we to define 
-what is and is not offensive
-what is and is not helpful
-what is and is not homophobic

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;if we don&#039;t talk about it??&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

This conversation is taking place all over the internet and in real life because GLAAD blew the whistle. I&#039;d say they did their job, they got us talking, which is the real point of their work.

Silence = death

Whether you agree with GLAAD or South Park, the important thing is that we&#039;re talking about this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 &#8211; I don&#8217;t think GLAAD was asking or Demanding South Park to do anything.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; It&#8217;s GLAAD&#8217;s job to blow the whistle on these issues, big and small because&#8230;</p>
<p>3 &#8211; It leads to, if nothing else, <i>conversations</i> like this very thread.</p>
<p>How are we to define<br />
-what is and is not offensive<br />
-what is and is not helpful<br />
-what is and is not homophobic</p>
<p><i><b>if we don&#8217;t talk about it??</b></i></p>
<p>This conversation is taking place all over the internet and in real life because GLAAD blew the whistle. I&#8217;d say they did their job, they got us talking, which is the real point of their work.</p>
<p>Silence = death</p>
<p>Whether you agree with GLAAD or South Park, the important thing is that we&#8217;re talking about this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: aratina</title>
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		<dc:creator>aratina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Matt and Trey got the inspiration for this episode from John Hughes&#039;s film &quot;Weird Science&quot;. It has a scene where a gang of bikers breaks up a house party, and when the main character gains enough confidence to confront the bikers, he calls one of them a &quot;faggot&quot;. Could it be (maybe a sly John Hughes tribute since he recently passed away?), or did I miss out on a period in the 80s where bikers were popularly called &quot;faggots&quot;?

Anyway, I thought the show was offensive at first, but it became so absurd towards the end that I couldn&#039;t help laughing. Then, I realized their redefinition had really sunk in and it is hard now not to think of bikers as &quot;fags&quot;. In the end, I&#039;m not sure it is a bad idea. That word, &quot;fag&quot;, hurts straight and gay people terribly when used as a dehumanizing insult. It would be nice to be able to look at the bullies like they are on a different planet and say &quot;I&#039;m not a biker, idiot.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Matt and Trey got the inspiration for this episode from John Hughes&#8217;s film &#8220;Weird Science&#8221;. It has a scene where a gang of bikers breaks up a house party, and when the main character gains enough confidence to confront the bikers, he calls one of them a &#8220;faggot&#8221;. Could it be (maybe a sly John Hughes tribute since he recently passed away?), or did I miss out on a period in the 80s where bikers were popularly called &#8220;faggots&#8221;?</p>
<p>Anyway, I thought the show was offensive at first, but it became so absurd towards the end that I couldn&#8217;t help laughing. Then, I realized their redefinition had really sunk in and it is hard now not to think of bikers as &#8220;fags&#8221;. In the end, I&#8217;m not sure it is a bad idea. That word, &#8220;fag&#8221;, hurts straight and gay people terribly when used as a dehumanizing insult. It would be nice to be able to look at the bullies like they are on a different planet and say &#8220;I&#8217;m not a biker, idiot.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think truthteller touched on something important: that the word &quot;fag&quot; has, at this point in time, a built-in insult to one&#039;s masculinity (or lack thereof). Since the bikers were obviously trying to make themselves look much tougher and more macho by.. well.. being bikers and having loud Harley&#039;s, then using the word &quot;fag&quot; was fitting because the SP kids were trying to tell them that their attempts at being more manly are futile. And as a result, they are &quot;fags.&quot;

However - I &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; seen &quot;fag&quot; used elsewhere as a simple insult akin to &quot;dweeb&quot; or &quot;loser.&quot; Internet slang calls someone new to a forum a &quot;newfag&quot; and someone who&#039;s been around is an &quot;oldfag.&quot; Really the term &quot;fag&quot; is unavoidable in this case, and has nothing to do with anyone being gay OR manly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think truthteller touched on something important: that the word &#8220;fag&#8221; has, at this point in time, a built-in insult to one&#8217;s masculinity (or lack thereof). Since the bikers were obviously trying to make themselves look much tougher and more macho by.. well.. being bikers and having loud Harley&#8217;s, then using the word &#8220;fag&#8221; was fitting because the SP kids were trying to tell them that their attempts at being more manly are futile. And as a result, they are &#8220;fags.&#8221;</p>
<p>However &#8211; I <i>have</i> seen &#8220;fag&#8221; used elsewhere as a simple insult akin to &#8220;dweeb&#8221; or &#8220;loser.&#8221; Internet slang calls someone new to a forum a &#8220;newfag&#8221; and someone who&#8217;s been around is an &#8220;oldfag.&#8221; Really the term &#8220;fag&#8221; is unavoidable in this case, and has nothing to do with anyone being gay OR manly.</p>
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		<title>By: Respect</title>
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		<dc:creator>Respect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the ability of a community to reclaim an insult into a badge of honor and identity.&quot;

The South Park episode did not attempt to do this. They associated a word not categorically denied for use towards gay men, to something very negative. People already know how the word may apply to gay men.

This is no better than saying not all blacks are the &quot;n&quot; word. Not all Jewish people are the &quot;k&quot; word.

I&#039;m sorry that some gay people will accept disrespect, and not see that we deserve better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the ability of a community to reclaim an insult into a badge of honor and identity.&#8221;</p>
<p>The South Park episode did not attempt to do this. They associated a word not categorically denied for use towards gay men, to something very negative. People already know how the word may apply to gay men.</p>
<p>This is no better than saying not all blacks are the &#8220;n&#8221; word. Not all Jewish people are the &#8220;k&#8221; word.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that some gay people will accept disrespect, and not see that we deserve better.</p>
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		<title>By: GLAAD Upset Over Latest &#8216;South Park,&#8217; Assumes We&#8217;re Stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>GLAAD Upset Over Latest &#8216;South Park,&#8217; Assumes We&#8217;re Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] disclosure, this post is crossposted on BoxTurtleBulletin, an activist blog I also contribute [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] disclosure, this post is crossposted on BoxTurtleBulletin, an activist blog I also contribute [...]</p>
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		<title>By: palerobber</title>
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		<dc:creator>palerobber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so was it also &quot;artistic cultural commentary&quot; and &quot;sophisticated satire&quot; when Parker&amp;Stone&#039;s movie Team America portrayed hollywood actors as belonging to FAG (Film Actors Guild)?

please enlighten us poor non-creative professionals on the brilliance of this master stroke of wit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so was it also &#8220;artistic cultural commentary&#8221; and &#8220;sophisticated satire&#8221; when Parker&amp;Stone&#8217;s movie Team America portrayed hollywood actors as belonging to FAG (Film Actors Guild)?</p>
<p>please enlighten us poor non-creative professionals on the brilliance of this master stroke of wit.</p>
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		<title>By: Donnchadh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donnchadh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I&#039;m using the Gaelic version of my name from now on - because I&#039;m not the Duncan above)

This dispute over words inspires in me:

&lt;i&gt;Where Humanity&#039;s been, what Humanity&#039;s done
Words were made for all under the Sun
They answer to all, and they answer to none.

The tyrants and teachers, the good and the great,
The rulers and lobbies that the power goes to
By arms, by kindness, by reason, by the state,
Try to vainly decide what language will do.

But language don&#039;t bend to, like, the fury of hell
By the people, for the people, it is our thoughts&#039; own shell,
For the strength of words, no word can tell.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I&#8217;m using the Gaelic version of my name from now on &#8211; because I&#8217;m not the Duncan above)</p>
<p>This dispute over words inspires in me:</p>
<p><i>Where Humanity&#8217;s been, what Humanity&#8217;s done<br />
Words were made for all under the Sun<br />
They answer to all, and they answer to none.</p>
<p>The tyrants and teachers, the good and the great,<br />
The rulers and lobbies that the power goes to<br />
By arms, by kindness, by reason, by the state,<br />
Try to vainly decide what language will do.</p>
<p>But language don&#8217;t bend to, like, the fury of hell<br />
By the people, for the people, it is our thoughts&#8217; own shell,<br />
For the strength of words, no word can tell.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Al W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big fan of South Park, and although the humor&#039;s pretty low-brow, some of the social commentaries are actually well-woven IMO.

That said, I&#039;ve seen a bunch of comments saying they&#039;re trying to shift the meaning of &quot;fag.&quot;  Newsflash, kids-it&#039;s ALREADY shifted.  I&#039;m 27, and I have a few friends that regularly use &quot;That&#039;s so gay&quot; as an insult.  These are the same friends that invite my boyfriend and I to various events, support full marriage, and are all-around classy people that I consider amongst my best friends. 

We don&#039;t try to bury or hide each other&#039;s differences.  We make light of them, joke around about them, and realize that they&#039;re inconsequential.  At the end of the day, the Asians, the blacks, the whites, and the gays that all get together on Monday nights for football, good beer, and good food at Neel&#039;s apartment don&#039;t care about the Black/Asian/Gay things, but we don&#039;t ignore them and pretend they don&#039;t exist either. 

GLAAD really overreacted and obviously was part of that group that was too stupid to get it.  Call me a fag.  I won&#039;t care, even though I don&#039;t own a Harley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of South Park, and although the humor&#8217;s pretty low-brow, some of the social commentaries are actually well-woven IMO.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ve seen a bunch of comments saying they&#8217;re trying to shift the meaning of &#8220;fag.&#8221;  Newsflash, kids-it&#8217;s ALREADY shifted.  I&#8217;m 27, and I have a few friends that regularly use &#8220;That&#8217;s so gay&#8221; as an insult.  These are the same friends that invite my boyfriend and I to various events, support full marriage, and are all-around classy people that I consider amongst my best friends. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t try to bury or hide each other&#8217;s differences.  We make light of them, joke around about them, and realize that they&#8217;re inconsequential.  At the end of the day, the Asians, the blacks, the whites, and the gays that all get together on Monday nights for football, good beer, and good food at Neel&#8217;s apartment don&#8217;t care about the Black/Asian/Gay things, but we don&#8217;t ignore them and pretend they don&#8217;t exist either. </p>
<p>GLAAD really overreacted and obviously was part of that group that was too stupid to get it.  Call me a fag.  I won&#8217;t care, even though I don&#8217;t own a Harley.</p>
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		<title>By: truthteller</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthteller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BS.
Some people are so desperate to be &quot;normal&quot; they will deny the obvious.

The only reason they are using the word fag to denigrate a person is because it has a built in insult to one&#039;s masculinity. 

Gay people are generally hated, looked at with disdain and basically treated and looked at as inferior, so by using the word fag, the users transfer those qualities to the insultee.

You truthfully argue that the&quot;not all fags are gay&quot; is an intelligent argument? 

Sounds like internalized homophobia, to me.

GLAAD got this one right!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BS.<br />
Some people are so desperate to be &#8220;normal&#8221; they will deny the obvious.</p>
<p>The only reason they are using the word fag to denigrate a person is because it has a built in insult to one&#8217;s masculinity. </p>
<p>Gay people are generally hated, looked at with disdain and basically treated and looked at as inferior, so by using the word fag, the users transfer those qualities to the insultee.</p>
<p>You truthfully argue that the&#8221;not all fags are gay&#8221; is an intelligent argument? </p>
<p>Sounds like internalized homophobia, to me.</p>
<p>GLAAD got this one right!!!</p>
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