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	<title>Comments on: The DNC Boycott: Count Me In</title>
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		<title>By: johnathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, what to do...

I completely support this in principle, and will absolutely not donate a single penny to the DNC. I will donate to those LGBT candidates who I feel actually pursue LGBT interests as well as hold positions on other issues I agree.

However, when it comes to ballot box time, I have great qualms about this. Essentially, I find myself in the Independent-Green category (although I am registered Democratic). At the State Legislative, Gubinatorial, and National Levels (both executive and legislative), I feel marking a vote for third parties gives the Republican party more strength. While I find the Democratic party intolerable at this moment, when it comes to LGBT issues, I would rather deal with Democratic inaction than negative-LGBT legislative action.

Until the United States develops European-style party coalition to truly embrace third parties into the legislative bodies, I truly don&#039;t know how to vote at the ballot box, except to gnash my teeth and -- provided the national or state Democratic candidate isn&#039;t an anti-gay zealot -- vote Democratic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, what to do&#8230;</p>
<p>I completely support this in principle, and will absolutely not donate a single penny to the DNC. I will donate to those LGBT candidates who I feel actually pursue LGBT interests as well as hold positions on other issues I agree.</p>
<p>However, when it comes to ballot box time, I have great qualms about this. Essentially, I find myself in the Independent-Green category (although I am registered Democratic). At the State Legislative, Gubinatorial, and National Levels (both executive and legislative), I feel marking a vote for third parties gives the Republican party more strength. While I find the Democratic party intolerable at this moment, when it comes to LGBT issues, I would rather deal with Democratic inaction than negative-LGBT legislative action.</p>
<p>Until the United States develops European-style party coalition to truly embrace third parties into the legislative bodies, I truly don&#8217;t know how to vote at the ballot box, except to gnash my teeth and &#8212; provided the national or state Democratic candidate isn&#8217;t an anti-gay zealot &#8212; vote Democratic.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own health care has run me out of funds anyway.   If that aspect of the democrat&#039;s plan doesn&#039;t get going I sure won&#039;t have any money to give them.   So count me out/in... which ever which way.

GO GREENS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own health care has run me out of funds anyway.   If that aspect of the democrat&#8217;s plan doesn&#8217;t get going I sure won&#8217;t have any money to give them.   So count me out/in&#8230; which ever which way.</p>
<p>GO GREENS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Signed.

I decided to re-register after the presidential election. I&#039;m ready to go Independent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Signed.</p>
<p>I decided to re-register after the presidential election. I&#8217;m ready to go Independent.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good.  Now if we can more Republicans to do likewise when it comes to the GOP perhaps we&#039;ll see some real change.

Ah, who am I kidding?  The nuts run the asylum in both parties.  Well at least the political theater is fun to watch...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good.  Now if we can more Republicans to do likewise when it comes to the GOP perhaps we&#8217;ll see some real change.</p>
<p>Ah, who am I kidding?  The nuts run the asylum in both parties.  Well at least the political theater is fun to watch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I donated to Obama during the campaign, but I wouldn&#039;t give him a penny if he asked me to today.

I find it laughable that the HRC is coming out in support of this. They&#039;re as culpable as the DNC imo and they should be right up there on the list:
http://gay.americablog.com/2009/11/hrc-responds-to-gay-boycott-of-dnc.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I donated to Obama during the campaign, but I wouldn&#8217;t give him a penny if he asked me to today.</p>
<p>I find it laughable that the HRC is coming out in support of this. They&#8217;re as culpable as the DNC imo and they should be right up there on the list:<br />
<a href="http://gay.americablog.com/2009/11/hrc-responds-to-gay-boycott-of-dnc.html" rel="nofollow">http://gay.americablog.com/2009/11/hrc-responds-to-gay-boycott-of-dnc.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Burr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never gave money to the Democrats or Obama in the first place, but I&#039;m glad to see others committing to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never gave money to the Democrats or Obama in the first place, but I&#8217;m glad to see others committing to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Regan. As always, bang on. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Regan. As always, bang on. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same as Ben, I was done donating to the party when DADT and DOMA went into effect during the Clinton admin.

  I voted for Obama because I definitely didn&#039;t want McCain in the WH.
  But our current POTUS, for a lawyer...he&#039;s not defining gay citizens too well.
But he was here in CA...several times, hitting up wealthy Dems, that included wealthy gays and lesbians.

  One of whom, David Geffen, outright and very publicly refused to even see Obama or give him any money during his early fundraising efforts. 
   Eventually and too often now, the Dems and Repubs are wearing the same clothes.
  The clothes of &#039;me first, my own political ends first, don&#039;t expect me to REALLY keep a promise first&#039; politician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same as Ben, I was done donating to the party when DADT and DOMA went into effect during the Clinton admin.</p>
<p>  I voted for Obama because I definitely didn&#8217;t want McCain in the WH.<br />
  But our current POTUS, for a lawyer&#8230;he&#8217;s not defining gay citizens too well.<br />
But he was here in CA&#8230;several times, hitting up wealthy Dems, that included wealthy gays and lesbians.</p>
<p>  One of whom, David Geffen, outright and very publicly refused to even see Obama or give him any money during his early fundraising efforts.<br />
   Eventually and too often now, the Dems and Repubs are wearing the same clothes.<br />
  The clothes of &#8216;me first, my own political ends first, don&#8217;t expect me to REALLY keep a promise first&#8217; politician.</p>
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		<title>By: Frequent Flier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frequent Flier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see the HRC&#039;s response. They have come in for a lot of criticism in the last year. Some of that criticism was justified and healthy, some was not. They were the largest donors to the No on 1 and Approve 71 campaigns, provided valuable support to both, especially in Washington and were the driving force behind the hate crimes law being passed with Judy Shepard. They are our most powerful political group, my company gives them a large donation every year as do many others in Corporate America, and they have connections no other group can match, which like it or not is essential to advancing our legislative goals. BUT, we can no longer tolerate them giving a pass to lukewarm supporters and fair weather friends. Not one more penny to candidates who don&#039;t support full equality. And NO invitations to events and fundraisers for politicians who are not fully supportive neither. Finally, as another poster noted, and most importantly, NO VOTES. Vote Green. Vote Libertarian. Hell Vote Republican as I would have done in NY 23 if the candidate is supportive of your civil rights. But no more votes to people who are comfortable treating you as a second or third class citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see the HRC&#8217;s response. They have come in for a lot of criticism in the last year. Some of that criticism was justified and healthy, some was not. They were the largest donors to the No on 1 and Approve 71 campaigns, provided valuable support to both, especially in Washington and were the driving force behind the hate crimes law being passed with Judy Shepard. They are our most powerful political group, my company gives them a large donation every year as do many others in Corporate America, and they have connections no other group can match, which like it or not is essential to advancing our legislative goals. BUT, we can no longer tolerate them giving a pass to lukewarm supporters and fair weather friends. Not one more penny to candidates who don&#8217;t support full equality. And NO invitations to events and fundraisers for politicians who are not fully supportive neither. Finally, as another poster noted, and most importantly, NO VOTES. Vote Green. Vote Libertarian. Hell Vote Republican as I would have done in NY 23 if the candidate is supportive of your civil rights. But no more votes to people who are comfortable treating you as a second or third class citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: John B</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m signing this too. My only quibble is with the wording. I&#039;m OK with resuming support before all three items are signed and delivered, but I&#039;ll be waiting for tangible progress on each issue (and speeches most certainly do not count). We&#039;re going to get slammed for &#039;impatience&#039; but what&#039;s pushing us all towards this is the lack of any indication that the Dems will risk any political capital whatever on this. 

Last year, I explained to gay friends my support of Obama over Hillary by saying that I didn&#039;t believe Hillary would actually bother doing anything for us, but I thought Obama would at least give it a shot. I don&#039;t think we needed much from the Dems this year to be satisfied that we are on the agenda, and to remain patiently supportive. Instead, we&#039;re getting exactly what I&#039;d feared from a HIllary administration -- so far, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m signing this too. My only quibble is with the wording. I&#8217;m OK with resuming support before all three items are signed and delivered, but I&#8217;ll be waiting for tangible progress on each issue (and speeches most certainly do not count). We&#8217;re going to get slammed for &#8216;impatience&#8217; but what&#8217;s pushing us all towards this is the lack of any indication that the Dems will risk any political capital whatever on this. </p>
<p>Last year, I explained to gay friends my support of Obama over Hillary by saying that I didn&#8217;t believe Hillary would actually bother doing anything for us, but I thought Obama would at least give it a shot. I don&#8217;t think we needed much from the Dems this year to be satisfied that we are on the agenda, and to remain patiently supportive. Instead, we&#8217;re getting exactly what I&#8217;d feared from a HIllary administration &#8212; so far, anyway.</p>
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