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	<title>Comments on: AFA&#8217;s Bryan Fischer Proposes Sectarian Cleansing of US Military</title>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/11/10/16529/comment-page-1#comment-54396</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslims have been serving in the US military for how long now...

So this is among the first incidents of a jihadist among our military ranks?
Not only was this a jihadist but he was an outspoken one at that too...

Certainly this should teach the military to not be deaf...

Yet, i seem at odds with another event that makes me doubt a complete apprehension to someone expressing their views. 
&quot;(The Major)justified suicide bombings and (he)contended that Islamic law took precedence over the Constitution, but that their complaints to faculty about his views did not result in any action against Major Hasan.”&quot;
It seems to me that in the UK there are more than enough muslims that speak as this guy spoke... yet they are granted freedom to do so at no cost, except maybe the occasional conversion.
Where does freedom of speech end so that 
prevention can be asserted? Should ppl who believe X should die be apprehended(aka Westboro, as a hitting home example)?

Maybe the military personnel was not deaf... but rather letting the muslim voice his opinion... yes, opinion... they didn&#039;t think of it as anything else. Yet...

Should everyone that voice support for jihadists be jailed, exiled or discharged? If muslims pose a possible danger to the military and should not be allowed to serve because of this then wouldn&#039;t it make sense and follow logically- since jihadists are not JUST a threat to the military but rather any american... anywhere- to sack them from our country, or rather as Quo so fervently suggested, must we be unofficially hostile to them?

Quo claimed that it was impossible to not weed out muslims from the military(why did he stop the weeding out, just from the military, eludes me) due to 5 times a day prayer(and sum other stuff)... but seriously... do you really believe a jihadist whose divine mission is to kill as many people as he can be stopped by not praying or eating pork a few times?

Seeing as these jihadists in the US are rather the exception and not the rule, and since there is no jihadist detector(applicable to muslims and, what quo seems to be overlooking, &#039;NON-MUSLIMS&#039;) then there doesn&#039;t seem to be any reason to disallow or unofficially reject all muslims that wish to enter our military ranks.

 Now the question remains... how to prevent a future attack?  If sacking all possible perpetrators by not allowing the class to which they belong(which is impossible to do, as Jason pointed out, because of unidentifiable-converts and Arab fake-non-muslims, with planned agendas), then what could possibly be a solution? 

Maybe it is this lack of finding other  solutions that drives ppl, like the AFA and Quo, to uphold such strikingly ineffective ones. Ultimately only achieving the alienation of allies and the prevention of nothing. 

A rather lenient approach is to simply try to reach out(directly or indirectly) to the &#039;anti-gays&#039; in order to win their hearts over... And, whenever possible, screen the expressively violent person for possibility of harm.  Even if this doesn&#039;t work, at least we would still have our allies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslims have been serving in the US military for how long now&#8230;</p>
<p>So this is among the first incidents of a jihadist among our military ranks?<br />
Not only was this a jihadist but he was an outspoken one at that too&#8230;</p>
<p>Certainly this should teach the military to not be deaf&#8230;</p>
<p>Yet, i seem at odds with another event that makes me doubt a complete apprehension to someone expressing their views.<br />
&#8220;(The Major)justified suicide bombings and (he)contended that Islamic law took precedence over the Constitution, but that their complaints to faculty about his views did not result in any action against Major Hasan.”&#8221;<br />
It seems to me that in the UK there are more than enough muslims that speak as this guy spoke&#8230; yet they are granted freedom to do so at no cost, except maybe the occasional conversion.<br />
Where does freedom of speech end so that<br />
prevention can be asserted? Should ppl who believe X should die be apprehended(aka Westboro, as a hitting home example)?</p>
<p>Maybe the military personnel was not deaf&#8230; but rather letting the muslim voice his opinion&#8230; yes, opinion&#8230; they didn&#8217;t think of it as anything else. Yet&#8230;</p>
<p>Should everyone that voice support for jihadists be jailed, exiled or discharged? If muslims pose a possible danger to the military and should not be allowed to serve because of this then wouldn&#8217;t it make sense and follow logically- since jihadists are not JUST a threat to the military but rather any american&#8230; anywhere- to sack them from our country, or rather as Quo so fervently suggested, must we be unofficially hostile to them?</p>
<p>Quo claimed that it was impossible to not weed out muslims from the military(why did he stop the weeding out, just from the military, eludes me) due to 5 times a day prayer(and sum other stuff)&#8230; but seriously&#8230; do you really believe a jihadist whose divine mission is to kill as many people as he can be stopped by not praying or eating pork a few times?</p>
<p>Seeing as these jihadists in the US are rather the exception and not the rule, and since there is no jihadist detector(applicable to muslims and, what quo seems to be overlooking, &#8216;NON-MUSLIMS&#8217;) then there doesn&#8217;t seem to be any reason to disallow or unofficially reject all muslims that wish to enter our military ranks.</p>
<p> Now the question remains&#8230; how to prevent a future attack?  If sacking all possible perpetrators by not allowing the class to which they belong(which is impossible to do, as Jason pointed out, because of unidentifiable-converts and Arab fake-non-muslims, with planned agendas), then what could possibly be a solution? </p>
<p>Maybe it is this lack of finding other  solutions that drives ppl, like the AFA and Quo, to uphold such strikingly ineffective ones. Ultimately only achieving the alienation of allies and the prevention of nothing. </p>
<p>A rather lenient approach is to simply try to reach out(directly or indirectly) to the &#8216;anti-gays&#8217; in order to win their hearts over&#8230; And, whenever possible, screen the expressively violent person for possibility of harm.  Even if this doesn&#8217;t work, at least we would still have our allies.</p>
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		<title>By: JJQR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo : I love reading what you have to say. Even if I don&#039;t always totally agree with you, you are whacking their hick butts left and right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo : I love reading what you have to say. Even if I don&#8217;t always totally agree with you, you are whacking their hick butts left and right.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert in San Diego</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/11/10/16529/comment-page-1#comment-54350</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert in San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been listening to the radio commentaries over this incident and how the military wants a diverse military with all different types of servicemen and how they do not want to discriminate against muslims because it is not PC, but we&#039;ll kick out a gay as soon as we find one. Gays break down the ranks.  Of course though I can&#039;t recall a gay killing anyone or fighting against their government.  Last time I checked they enlisted to serve and protect their nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been listening to the radio commentaries over this incident and how the military wants a diverse military with all different types of servicemen and how they do not want to discriminate against muslims because it is not PC, but we&#8217;ll kick out a gay as soon as we find one. Gays break down the ranks.  Of course though I can&#8217;t recall a gay killing anyone or fighting against their government.  Last time I checked they enlisted to serve and protect their nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo,

If you would like for those who read here to have access to your website, simply enter the website&#039;s URL in the box provided for that purpose when you comment.  Then if they click on your name, it will take them to your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo,</p>
<p>If you would like for those who read here to have access to your website, simply enter the website&#8217;s URL in the box provided for that purpose when you comment.  Then if they click on your name, it will take them to your site.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Waldrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Waldrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo, you seem to come here because you have nothing better to do with your time than disparage others and make occasional claims that you can&#039;t back up. Priya at least raises a serious point, which you dodge by accusing her of sinking to your level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo, you seem to come here because you have nothing better to do with your time than disparage others and make occasional claims that you can&#8217;t back up. Priya at least raises a serious point, which you dodge by accusing her of sinking to your level.</p>
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		<title>By: Quo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya Lynn,

You&#039;re saying that because you had nothing better to do with some hour of your day than to disparage me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya Lynn,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re saying that because you had nothing better to do with some hour of your day than to disparage me.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo, if you think &quot;unofficial methods&quot; of discouraging muslims from serving in the military is a good idea then it stands to reason that they are worth discussing.  You don&#039;t want to discuss them because you suspect that if you were to discuss them they wouldn&#039;t stand up to scrutiny as a plausible idea and you&#039;d look bad for proposing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo, if you think &#8220;unofficial methods&#8221; of discouraging muslims from serving in the military is a good idea then it stands to reason that they are worth discussing.  You don&#8217;t want to discuss them because you suspect that if you were to discuss them they wouldn&#8217;t stand up to scrutiny as a plausible idea and you&#8217;d look bad for proposing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Quo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard W. Fitch,

I created my own blog, yes. I haven&#039;t updated it for months, but then, I do things at my own pace. I tried to give you the URL, but BTB&#039;s filtering system refuses to allow posts that contain it. Doubtless there is a reason for this. It&#039;s there in older threads, however (unless it gets censored).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard W. Fitch,</p>
<p>I created my own blog, yes. I haven&#8217;t updated it for months, but then, I do things at my own pace. I tried to give you the URL, but BTB&#8217;s filtering system refuses to allow posts that contain it. Doubtless there is a reason for this. It&#8217;s there in older threads, however (unless it gets censored).</p>
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		<title>By: Quo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard W. Fitch,

No, I&#039;m the same person. I have changed my user name slightly several times, but it&#039;s still me. I created a blog to share some thoughts that wouldn&#039;t really be appropriate for BTB. 

It&#039;s here http://debatingmyhomosexuality.blogspot.com/

I don&#039;t update it very often. I do things at my own pace, you see. Look for updates over the next week or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard W. Fitch,</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m the same person. I have changed my user name slightly several times, but it&#8217;s still me. I created a blog to share some thoughts that wouldn&#8217;t really be appropriate for BTB. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s here <a href="http://debatingmyhomosexuality.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://debatingmyhomosexuality.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t update it very often. I do things at my own pace, you see. Look for updates over the next week or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Quo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard W. Fitch,

No, I&#039;m the same person. I changed the name I used slightly several times, and my e-mail address, but it&#039;s still me. I created a blog, which I don&#039;t update very often (I do things at my own pace).

The url is http://debatingmyhomosexuality.blogspot.com/. Look for updates over the next week or so. Or pop over and say hi, if you want to hear some of the things I have to say that the moderators won&#039;t let me say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard W. Fitch,</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m the same person. I changed the name I used slightly several times, and my e-mail address, but it&#8217;s still me. I created a blog, which I don&#8217;t update very often (I do things at my own pace).</p>
<p>The url is <a href="http://debatingmyhomosexuality.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://debatingmyhomosexuality.blogspot.com/</a>. Look for updates over the next week or so. Or pop over and say hi, if you want to hear some of the things I have to say that the moderators won&#8217;t let me say.</p>
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