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		<title>By: Kalamazoo Christians&#8217; Hate Is &#8220;Above Serving Christ&#8221; &#171; Reality Bong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalamazoo Christians&#8217; Hate Is &#8220;Above Serving Christ&#8221; &#171; Reality Bong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hate Is &#8220;Above Serving&#160;Christ&#8221;  Posted on December 21, 2009 by Tom   Following the Catholic church&#8217;s pull-out and re-entry  of charity work to the homeless in D.C., comes more Christian Love™ from three churches that are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hate Is &#8220;Above Serving&nbsp;Christ&#8221;  Posted on December 21, 2009 by Tom   Following the Catholic church&#8217;s pull-out and re-entry  of charity work to the homeless in D.C., comes more Christian Love™ from three churches that are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Catholic Church and D.C. ctd. - E.D. Kain - American Times - True/Slant</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Catholic Church and D.C. ctd. - E.D. Kain - American Times - True/Slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Burroway writes: Remember when the Catholic Archdiocese of Washington threatened to shut down its homeless shelters, food services and other community services if the D.C. city council approved [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Christian, but do not hold these views as does the church. I believe that the Jesus being represented is not accurate of the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the bible associated himself with Sinners, adulterers, liars, murderers etc. He didn&#039;t go to them and expect them to be someone else. He loved them for who they were, not where they were at. 

Romans 5:8 says,
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

I find the Jesus of the bible to be one of Love and commitment to us. He doesn&#039;t love us for who we could be, but loves us for who we are. In my sin, he loved me, died for me, and every day when I hurt people because of my own pride, or selfishness he still loves me. I love the Jesus of the bible, not the one that is represented here.

I hope anyone reading does not lump all of us christians into the same boat. It is my life&#039;s mission to love the unlovely and be loved by the lovely (jesus). 

dustin
IamHobab@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Christian, but do not hold these views as does the church. I believe that the Jesus being represented is not accurate of the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the bible associated himself with Sinners, adulterers, liars, murderers etc. He didn&#8217;t go to them and expect them to be someone else. He loved them for who they were, not where they were at. </p>
<p>Romans 5:8 says,<br />
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.</p>
<p>I find the Jesus of the bible to be one of Love and commitment to us. He doesn&#8217;t love us for who we could be, but loves us for who we are. In my sin, he loved me, died for me, and every day when I hurt people because of my own pride, or selfishness he still loves me. I love the Jesus of the bible, not the one that is represented here.</p>
<p>I hope anyone reading does not lump all of us christians into the same boat. It is my life&#8217;s mission to love the unlovely and be loved by the lovely (jesus). </p>
<p>dustin<br />
<a href="mailto:IamHobab@gmail.com">IamHobab@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
-Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.</p></blockquote>
<p>-Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi</p>
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		<title>By: Quo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Airhart,

You comments about the people you call &quot;Christian Rightists&quot; (I really don&#039;t grasp the theological subtleties behind your decision that they are not &quot;Christians&quot;) sound exactly like their comments about homosexuals. Pardon me for asking, but is this a coincidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Airhart,</p>
<p>You comments about the people you call &#8220;Christian Rightists&#8221; (I really don&#8217;t grasp the theological subtleties behind your decision that they are not &#8220;Christians&#8221;) sound exactly like their comments about homosexuals. Pardon me for asking, but is this a coincidence?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Airhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Airhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As some people may have noticed, I have begun to give up calling antigay conservatives &quot;Christian.&quot; They are not remotely deserving of the label.

They are ex-Christian Rightists. Amoral, relativist, depraved, selfish, sadistic, and apostate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As some people may have noticed, I have begun to give up calling antigay conservatives &#8220;Christian.&#8221; They are not remotely deserving of the label.</p>
<p>They are ex-Christian Rightists. Amoral, relativist, depraved, selfish, sadistic, and apostate.</p>
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		<title>By: N Makena</title>
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		<dc:creator>N Makena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whites only restrooms - Blacks must use the outdoor facilities out back.


Has it occurred to anyone else that by allowing religious organizations the ability to discriminate against GLBT people that we are moving backwards?  How can any self-respecting individual living in the United States of America allow their religious beliefs to influence their civil vote?  What is wrong with these people?   This country fought a war to gain it’s independence from England which, at the time, was trying to force a religious doctrine onto everyone.  That’s the reason why we fought that war over 200 years ago so that everyone would have the freedom to choose what they believe.  When you go into that voting booth and vote your religious views, you are forcing your personal religious beliefs onto other American citizens who are guaranteed freedom from that very idea.

Why do we continue to cater to the Christian far-right and their demands that we must include their religious beliefs in all new legislation?  Whether it is on a city, county, state, or federal level – we are all created equal and each and every one of us is guaranteed freedom, justice, and liberty.  This mob-rule mentality is not acceptable and must be stopped now.  Do we want to live in a theocracy?  The Christian-Taliban is trying to make everyone in this country conform.  Isn’t the reason we are in the Afghanistan War to help them to be free from religious oppression?  Yet we allow the Catholics, Mormons, NOM, and other organizations a tax-free status to influence civil society within the political arena right here in this country.   Where is the church and state separation?  If you wish to live in a theocracy, then please, move to Iran, otherwise stop trying to influence civil society with your religious dogma.

The recent news that the Catholic Church is threatening to stop its social services programs in Washington DC if the city doesn’t change its proposed same-sex marriage law has got to be the most disgraceful statement to-date coming from a religious organization.  Surely the cruelty of their intentions would make even the most devout Catholic sick to their stomach.  No one is even asking the church to perform or submit to these civil marriages.  Please, my fellow American citizens it’s time to understand what it means to have a completely secular and civil society. It’s time to tax these religious organizations or make them go back to their churches and social services and get them completely out of politics where it concerns our secularly run government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whites only restrooms &#8211; Blacks must use the outdoor facilities out back.</p>
<p>Has it occurred to anyone else that by allowing religious organizations the ability to discriminate against GLBT people that we are moving backwards?  How can any self-respecting individual living in the United States of America allow their religious beliefs to influence their civil vote?  What is wrong with these people?   This country fought a war to gain it’s independence from England which, at the time, was trying to force a religious doctrine onto everyone.  That’s the reason why we fought that war over 200 years ago so that everyone would have the freedom to choose what they believe.  When you go into that voting booth and vote your religious views, you are forcing your personal religious beliefs onto other American citizens who are guaranteed freedom from that very idea.</p>
<p>Why do we continue to cater to the Christian far-right and their demands that we must include their religious beliefs in all new legislation?  Whether it is on a city, county, state, or federal level – we are all created equal and each and every one of us is guaranteed freedom, justice, and liberty.  This mob-rule mentality is not acceptable and must be stopped now.  Do we want to live in a theocracy?  The Christian-Taliban is trying to make everyone in this country conform.  Isn’t the reason we are in the Afghanistan War to help them to be free from religious oppression?  Yet we allow the Catholics, Mormons, NOM, and other organizations a tax-free status to influence civil society within the political arena right here in this country.   Where is the church and state separation?  If you wish to live in a theocracy, then please, move to Iran, otherwise stop trying to influence civil society with your religious dogma.</p>
<p>The recent news that the Catholic Church is threatening to stop its social services programs in Washington DC if the city doesn’t change its proposed same-sex marriage law has got to be the most disgraceful statement to-date coming from a religious organization.  Surely the cruelty of their intentions would make even the most devout Catholic sick to their stomach.  No one is even asking the church to perform or submit to these civil marriages.  Please, my fellow American citizens it’s time to understand what it means to have a completely secular and civil society. It’s time to tax these religious organizations or make them go back to their churches and social services and get them completely out of politics where it concerns our secularly run government.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a great quote on Sullivan&#039;s website earlier that applies to this:

&quot;I see no reason why civil marriage for non-mormons should be banned because mormons find it anathema to their doctrines&quot;

Same goes for catholics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a great quote on Sullivan&#8217;s website earlier that applies to this:</p>
<p>&#8220;I see no reason why civil marriage for non-mormons should be banned because mormons find it anathema to their doctrines&#8221;</p>
<p>Same goes for catholics.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it that only gay people have to deal with discrimination by PROXY of other issues?
That way, those who want to discriminate, can point to gay people as the cause?

  &quot;Gays shouldn&#039;t marry because then, polygamists and bestiality advocates should.&quot;

    &quot;Gay people shouldn&#039;t get married because they can&#039;t procreate.&quot;

  &quot;If gay people get married, then it&#039;ll ruin it for everyone else.&quot;

   &quot;If gay people get married, we won&#039;t be able to do charitable works for the needy.&quot;

 &quot;We have to cancel the WHOLE prom because ONE lesbian wants to come with her same sex date.&quot;
  WTF?!
  
    How does anyone even say stuff like that and not think it STUPID if they heard it played back to them?

  Other than this being a number of ways to get people mad at &#039;teh gays&#039;, what does it serve?
 To go THIS far out on a limb to get folks mad at the gays...the weight of the cynicism and illogic that requires should make that limb break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it that only gay people have to deal with discrimination by PROXY of other issues?<br />
That way, those who want to discriminate, can point to gay people as the cause?</p>
<p>  &#8220;Gays shouldn&#8217;t marry because then, polygamists and bestiality advocates should.&#8221;</p>
<p>    &#8220;Gay people shouldn&#8217;t get married because they can&#8217;t procreate.&#8221;</p>
<p>  &#8220;If gay people get married, then it&#8217;ll ruin it for everyone else.&#8221;</p>
<p>   &#8220;If gay people get married, we won&#8217;t be able to do charitable works for the needy.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8220;We have to cancel the WHOLE prom because ONE lesbian wants to come with her same sex date.&#8221;<br />
  WTF?!</p>
<p>    How does anyone even say stuff like that and not think it STUPID if they heard it played back to them?</p>
<p>  Other than this being a number of ways to get people mad at &#8216;teh gays&#8217;, what does it serve?<br />
 To go THIS far out on a limb to get folks mad at the gays&#8230;the weight of the cynicism and illogic that requires should make that limb break.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great retort by Catania</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great retort by Catania</p>
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