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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/11/12/16606/comment-page-2#comment-54754</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo,

Should you happen to read this before you go, I do want to make an honest appeal.  Please don&#039;t view this as dismissive to you or an attempt to discredit you.

Please seek counseling.  At this point, I&#039;m not caring whether or not it is for reorientation, whether it&#039;s religious or secular, or what issues you set out to resolve.  Find someone skilled to talk to. 

I&#039;m sure you will agree that you have some unresolved issues that are negatively impacting your life.  But I think that you perhaps are not recognizing the extent to which they are driving you and are overestimating your ability to deal with them alone.

I think it is extremely important that you begin a systematic program of discussion with someone who is trained or accustomed to identifying destructive behavior and helping deal with it.  A counselor, even a pastor, will be able to give you some guidance that could be life saving.  Literally.  At least if they can&#039;t help, they can direct you to someone who can.

Please don&#039;t take this lightly.  It is my sincere concern that with your current mindset, you could easily place yourself in life threatening situations.

Please, please seek help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo,</p>
<p>Should you happen to read this before you go, I do want to make an honest appeal.  Please don&#8217;t view this as dismissive to you or an attempt to discredit you.</p>
<p>Please seek counseling.  At this point, I&#8217;m not caring whether or not it is for reorientation, whether it&#8217;s religious or secular, or what issues you set out to resolve.  Find someone skilled to talk to. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you will agree that you have some unresolved issues that are negatively impacting your life.  But I think that you perhaps are not recognizing the extent to which they are driving you and are overestimating your ability to deal with them alone.</p>
<p>I think it is extremely important that you begin a systematic program of discussion with someone who is trained or accustomed to identifying destructive behavior and helping deal with it.  A counselor, even a pastor, will be able to give you some guidance that could be life saving.  Literally.  At least if they can&#8217;t help, they can direct you to someone who can.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take this lightly.  It is my sincere concern that with your current mindset, you could easily place yourself in life threatening situations.</p>
<p>Please, please seek help.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo said &quot;What a girlish comment.&quot;.

Yes, coming from a girl - what a surprise.

Quo said &quot;I didn’t say that sexual orientation is a choice, I said that there is no conclusive scientific proof that it is not a choice.&quot;.

If you&#039;re not arguing that its a choice (and you were) that is a rather pointless statment.  In light of your own experience in being utterly unable to choose heterosexuality its preposterous for you to pretend to deny that orientation is not a choice in your own case in particular.

Quo said &quot;As for hypocrisy, the fact that I have had sex with persons of the same sex as myself does not prevent me from saying that this is a form of behavior that the world would be better off without, anymore than being a smoker would stop me from saying that it would be better if people didn’t smoke.&quot;.

Bzzzt, wrong answer.  Highly hypocritical in both cases.

Quo said &quot;I said I wouldn’t comment for the forseeable future; but “the forseeable future” in this case meant less than a few minutes.&quot;.

LOL, that&#039;s SOO childish!  Your integrity overflows.

Quo said &quot; My blog has been restored minus the more personal posts&quot;.

Yes, I thought that was rather surprising that a fundamentally dishonest person would acknowledge their bad behavior thus making it clear they know they themselves can&#039;t choose their orientation despite their repeated insistance that it is chosen.  Attempting to hide the truth of your own situation is much more in keeping with the dishonesty you&#039;ve repeatedly presented here.  Unfortunately for you, you can&#039;t unring the bell and everytime you disingenously claim orienation is chosen people will remember your uttter failure to choose the orientation you&#039;d like to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo said &#8220;What a girlish comment.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes, coming from a girl &#8211; what a surprise.</p>
<p>Quo said &#8220;I didn’t say that sexual orientation is a choice, I said that there is no conclusive scientific proof that it is not a choice.&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not arguing that its a choice (and you were) that is a rather pointless statment.  In light of your own experience in being utterly unable to choose heterosexuality its preposterous for you to pretend to deny that orientation is not a choice in your own case in particular.</p>
<p>Quo said &#8220;As for hypocrisy, the fact that I have had sex with persons of the same sex as myself does not prevent me from saying that this is a form of behavior that the world would be better off without, anymore than being a smoker would stop me from saying that it would be better if people didn’t smoke.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bzzzt, wrong answer.  Highly hypocritical in both cases.</p>
<p>Quo said &#8220;I said I wouldn’t comment for the forseeable future; but “the forseeable future” in this case meant less than a few minutes.&#8221;.</p>
<p>LOL, that&#8217;s SOO childish!  Your integrity overflows.</p>
<p>Quo said &#8221; My blog has been restored minus the more personal posts&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes, I thought that was rather surprising that a fundamentally dishonest person would acknowledge their bad behavior thus making it clear they know they themselves can&#8217;t choose their orientation despite their repeated insistance that it is chosen.  Attempting to hide the truth of your own situation is much more in keeping with the dishonesty you&#8217;ve repeatedly presented here.  Unfortunately for you, you can&#8217;t unring the bell and everytime you disingenously claim orienation is chosen people will remember your uttter failure to choose the orientation you&#8217;d like to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo, i know you may find this hard to believe, but i actually speak with compassion. I&#039;m pretty sure I got exactly where you are coming from.

you are an obviously intelligent man. Erasing the words from your blog won&#039;t change the facts of your life.

You actually remind me a bit of my parents. they always used to blame my being gay for the deterioration of our relationship. I eventually realized that that made an easy hook for them to hang their issue hats on. The real issue was our relationship and how they saw me, not my homosexuality.

As I have said repeatedly, your issue is not your very obvious sexuality. You issue is how much your father-- yes, I do remember your comments about him-- taught you to hate yourself.

Your failure to confront your self-hatred is a good indication of how well he did his job. Wouldn&#039;t want to challenge what UberDaddy has to say lest he withold his love and prove you are unlovable, nor confront your self image.

As I&#039;m OK You&#039;re OK shows, we do that which is necessary to confirm our self image. It&#039;s an all too human trait.

And in your case, a very sad one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo, i know you may find this hard to believe, but i actually speak with compassion. I&#8217;m pretty sure I got exactly where you are coming from.</p>
<p>you are an obviously intelligent man. Erasing the words from your blog won&#8217;t change the facts of your life.</p>
<p>You actually remind me a bit of my parents. they always used to blame my being gay for the deterioration of our relationship. I eventually realized that that made an easy hook for them to hang their issue hats on. The real issue was our relationship and how they saw me, not my homosexuality.</p>
<p>As I have said repeatedly, your issue is not your very obvious sexuality. You issue is how much your father&#8211; yes, I do remember your comments about him&#8211; taught you to hate yourself.</p>
<p>Your failure to confront your self-hatred is a good indication of how well he did his job. Wouldn&#8217;t want to challenge what UberDaddy has to say lest he withold his love and prove you are unlovable, nor confront your self image.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;m OK You&#8217;re OK shows, we do that which is necessary to confirm our self image. It&#8217;s an all too human trait.</p>
<p>And in your case, a very sad one.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...I continue to think that it serves some purpose my commenting here.&quot; - Quo

Whatever that purpose may be, it&#039;s quite imperceptible to me. Could you please reveal it us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;I continue to think that it serves some purpose my commenting here.&#8221; &#8211; Quo</p>
<p>Whatever that purpose may be, it&#8217;s quite imperceptible to me. Could you please reveal it us?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo wrote:&quot;My blog has been restored minus the more personal posts – try reading it, you might find it interesting.&quot;

The more personal posts were the only interesting posts on your blog, because they actually allowed readers to understand where you were coming from.

The rest of the stuff about how nobody seems to properly understand how psychoanalysis leads to sexual reorientation is a waste of time.  People don&#039;t understand how psychoanalysis changes sexual orientation, because nobody&#039;s sexual orientation has been demonstrably changed by psychoanalysis.  All the rest is just quibbling over terms.

For what it is worth, those of us who have seen your unpurged blog have your number.  Many of us are frequent commenters here.  So purging the blog isn&#039;t going to stop folks from pointing out the conflict between the reality you live with and these fictional beliefs you keep trying to pedal here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo wrote:&#8221;My blog has been restored minus the more personal posts – try reading it, you might find it interesting.&#8221;</p>
<p>The more personal posts were the only interesting posts on your blog, because they actually allowed readers to understand where you were coming from.</p>
<p>The rest of the stuff about how nobody seems to properly understand how psychoanalysis leads to sexual reorientation is a waste of time.  People don&#8217;t understand how psychoanalysis changes sexual orientation, because nobody&#8217;s sexual orientation has been demonstrably changed by psychoanalysis.  All the rest is just quibbling over terms.</p>
<p>For what it is worth, those of us who have seen your unpurged blog have your number.  Many of us are frequent commenters here.  So purging the blog isn&#8217;t going to stop folks from pointing out the conflict between the reality you live with and these fictional beliefs you keep trying to pedal here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for hypocrisy, the fact that I have had sex with persons of the same sex as myself does not prevent me from saying that this is a form of behavior that the world would be better off without, anymore than being a smoker would stop me from saying that it would be better if people didn’t smoke.&quot;


Quo, your hypocrisy is like a smoker saying that they aren&#039;t addicted to cigarettes while chain smoking an entire pack of cigarettes in ten minutes. You destroy your own credibility.

One would expect that if you so clearly saw homosexuality as a choice, or, that there was no evidence that it was NOT a choice, your own life would serve as an example of that.  Instead, your life showcases the opposite, to an extreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for hypocrisy, the fact that I have had sex with persons of the same sex as myself does not prevent me from saying that this is a form of behavior that the world would be better off without, anymore than being a smoker would stop me from saying that it would be better if people didn’t smoke.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quo, your hypocrisy is like a smoker saying that they aren&#8217;t addicted to cigarettes while chain smoking an entire pack of cigarettes in ten minutes. You destroy your own credibility.</p>
<p>One would expect that if you so clearly saw homosexuality as a choice, or, that there was no evidence that it was NOT a choice, your own life would serve as an example of that.  Instead, your life showcases the opposite, to an extreme.</p>
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		<title>By: Quo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben in Oakland,

I may not be convincing very many people, but I continue to think that it serves some purpose my commenting here. I said I wouldn&#039;t comment for the forseeable future; but &quot;the forseeable future&quot; in this case meant less than a few minutes. My blog has been restored minus the more personal posts - try reading it, you might find it interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben in Oakland,</p>
<p>I may not be convincing very many people, but I continue to think that it serves some purpose my commenting here. I said I wouldn&#8217;t comment for the forseeable future; but &#8220;the forseeable future&#8221; in this case meant less than a few minutes. My blog has been restored minus the more personal posts &#8211; try reading it, you might find it interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m giving up commenting here for the forseeable future, as discussion here has become too tedious for words. &quot;

Yup. It&#039;s really awful when nobody buys what you&#039;re selling, and keep pointing out that you really need help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m giving up commenting here for the forseeable future, as discussion here has become too tedious for words. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yup. It&#8217;s really awful when nobody buys what you&#8217;re selling, and keep pointing out that you really need help.</p>
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		<title>By: Quo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily K,

The behavior I was referring to was homosexuality in general, not specifically homosexual promiscuity.

I&#039;m giving up commenting here for the forseeable future, as discussion here has become too tedious for words. My blog has been flushed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily K,</p>
<p>The behavior I was referring to was homosexuality in general, not specifically homosexual promiscuity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m giving up commenting here for the forseeable future, as discussion here has become too tedious for words. My blog has been flushed.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo is right about one thing, the world would be better without behavior like his. Fortunately, none of the gay men and women I know (including myself) engage in such behavior. And come to think of it, none of the straight ones do either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo is right about one thing, the world would be better without behavior like his. Fortunately, none of the gay men and women I know (including myself) engage in such behavior. And come to think of it, none of the straight ones do either.</p>
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