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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s less &#8220;Republican&#8221;, making a sex tape or supporting marriage equality?</title>
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		<title>By: werdna</title>
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		<dc:creator>werdna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Note all those family values politicians caught in sex scandals who have held their offices. Whereas gay politicians have left under clouds, with one exception in OR.&quot;

Don&#039;t forget Barney Frank and Gerry Studds, both of whom were reëlected numerous times after being involved in scandals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Note all those family values politicians caught in sex scandals who have held their offices. Whereas gay politicians have left under clouds, with one exception in OR.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget Barney Frank and Gerry Studds, both of whom were reëlected numerous times after being involved in scandals.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She was right about a few things:
That any kind of individual transgression IS forgiven as long as you&#039;re against gay rights.
 But if you&#039;re supportive it defines you altogether.

    Note all those family values politicians caught in sex scandals who have held their offices. Whereas gay politicians have left under clouds, with one exception in OR.

  Note those politicians, while simply running for office or who were incumbent, lost because of their support for marriage equality.
   Brian Brown so much has rejoiced that those supporters have lost in the elections.

    Several writers and more commenters at TownHall, the two editors of WND have been vicious in their attacks on me. I support gay equality and I&#039;m very conservative in all else, but you&#039;d think I was a flaming liberal lefty on ALL things just because of the issue of gay people.

  So, Ms. McCain is right about the hypocrisy, and it&#039;s not really a Democrat/Republican issue anymore. It&#039;s gay vs. straight, conservative Christian, vs. moderate people of faith or secular.
Any suggestion of pro gay support goes radioactive in no time.
People have allowed themselves to get so damn crazy about gay people, it&#039;s scary.

     And it&#039;s really ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She was right about a few things:<br />
That any kind of individual transgression IS forgiven as long as you&#8217;re against gay rights.<br />
 But if you&#8217;re supportive it defines you altogether.</p>
<p>    Note all those family values politicians caught in sex scandals who have held their offices. Whereas gay politicians have left under clouds, with one exception in OR.</p>
<p>  Note those politicians, while simply running for office or who were incumbent, lost because of their support for marriage equality.<br />
   Brian Brown so much has rejoiced that those supporters have lost in the elections.</p>
<p>    Several writers and more commenters at TownHall, the two editors of WND have been vicious in their attacks on me. I support gay equality and I&#8217;m very conservative in all else, but you&#8217;d think I was a flaming liberal lefty on ALL things just because of the issue of gay people.</p>
<p>  So, Ms. McCain is right about the hypocrisy, and it&#8217;s not really a Democrat/Republican issue anymore. It&#8217;s gay vs. straight, conservative Christian, vs. moderate people of faith or secular.<br />
Any suggestion of pro gay support goes radioactive in no time.<br />
People have allowed themselves to get so damn crazy about gay people, it&#8217;s scary.</p>
<p>     And it&#8217;s really ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert in San Diego</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert in San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing wrong with making a sex tape, especially if you are of legal age and not lying to make yourself 17 when she was really 20.  I make many and post them all the time, the thing about her is that she seems to of forgotten about that &quot;moral&quot; against pornography.  Just like everything else in the bible, christians pick and choose which things to like and which things to dislike, and gays they do not like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing wrong with making a sex tape, especially if you are of legal age and not lying to make yourself 17 when she was really 20.  I make many and post them all the time, the thing about her is that she seems to of forgotten about that &#8220;moral&#8221; against pornography.  Just like everything else in the bible, christians pick and choose which things to like and which things to dislike, and gays they do not like.</p>
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		<title>By: werdna</title>
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		<dc:creator>werdna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@andrew-Google.com is an awesome resource. A search there located &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&amp;article=3522&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thegully.com/essays/gay_mundo2/wilke/041128_dems_target_gays.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pageoneq.com/news/2008/mccain_gayvote081908.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; among others.



All these sources (except the last, which uses 23% for both 2000 and 2004) agree with the estimate that GWB got 25% of the LGBT vote in 2000 and 23% in 2004. The source for these figures seems to be the CNN poll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@andrew-Google.com is an awesome resource. A search there located <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>, <a href="http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&amp;article=3522" rel="nofollow">this</a>, <a href="http://www.thegully.com/essays/gay_mundo2/wilke/041128_dems_target_gays.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>, and <a href="http://www.pageoneq.com/news/2008/mccain_gayvote081908.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> among others.</p>
<p>All these sources (except the last, which uses 23% for both 2000 and 2004) agree with the estimate that GWB got 25% of the LGBT vote in 2000 and 23% in 2004. The source for these figures seems to be the CNN poll.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I definitely seem to recall &quot;50%&quot;, but after 9 years, it could have been &quot;50% of gays in Florida voted for W&quot; for all I know.  I went back to check and all my demographic references are no longer online.  It sounds like you have a precise value, which suggests an awesome resource.  Can you share?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I definitely seem to recall &#8220;50%&#8221;, but after 9 years, it could have been &#8220;50% of gays in Florida voted for W&#8221; for all I know.  I went back to check and all my demographic references are no longer online.  It sounds like you have a precise value, which suggests an awesome resource.  Can you share?</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray for Meghan Mccain.  She truly is a person of integrity and principles that stands as a shining example for all. What a breath of fresh air in the Republican party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooray for Meghan Mccain.  She truly is a person of integrity and principles that stands as a shining example for all. What a breath of fresh air in the Republican party.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trig said &quot;(Oh, and what’s wrong with making a sex tape?)&quot;.

Nothing, its the hypocrisy of having a wild and crazy sex life and then trying to deny other&#039;s their rights because you think their sex lifes are out of line with the religious ideas of morality that also preclude you from premarital sexual activities, making sex tapes and posing nude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trig said &#8220;(Oh, and what’s wrong with making a sex tape?)&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nothing, its the hypocrisy of having a wild and crazy sex life and then trying to deny other&#8217;s their rights because you think their sex lifes are out of line with the religious ideas of morality that also preclude you from premarital sexual activities, making sex tapes and posing nude.</p>
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		<title>By: Désirée</title>
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		<dc:creator>Désirée</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice if all the people like Meghan, instead of trying to create a big tent in the GOP, simply abandoned it to the fundies and joined the libertarians, which they in effect already are.

Some high profile defections could actually get the Libertarians some traction and create a viable third (or better yet replacement second) party in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice if all the people like Meghan, instead of trying to create a big tent in the GOP, simply abandoned it to the fundies and joined the libertarians, which they in effect already are.</p>
<p>Some high profile defections could actually get the Libertarians some traction and create a viable third (or better yet replacement second) party in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy (TRiG)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy (TRiG)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Oh, and what&#039;s wrong with making a sex tape?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Oh, and what&#8217;s wrong with making a sex tape?)</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy (TRiG)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy (TRiG)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as libertarians annoy me (and that&#039;s a lot, by the way), most do seem to be principled people and fairly consistent in their views. They&#039;re misguided, and they clearly haven&#039;t read enough Dickens, but they aren&#039;t actually prejudiced.

Libertarians merely annoy me. Many other right-wingers disgust me.

TRiG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as libertarians annoy me (and that&#8217;s a lot, by the way), most do seem to be principled people and fairly consistent in their views. They&#8217;re misguided, and they clearly haven&#8217;t read enough Dickens, but they aren&#8217;t actually prejudiced.</p>
<p>Libertarians merely annoy me. Many other right-wingers disgust me.</p>
<p>TRiG.</p>
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