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	<title>Comments on: Rick Warren refuses to oppose Uganda&#8217;s &#8220;Kill Gays&#8221; bill</title>
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		<title>By: cany</title>
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		<dc:creator>cany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just snapped off a letter to Warren whose megachurch is some ten minutes from me.

I go back a couple decades with this guy. 

When he wanted to build his church in a little rural canyon area north of where he eventually plopped his monstrosity of a &quot;campus&quot;, he told me that God had told him to put it there.

At the time, I was heavily involved in local land use planning/decisions as a (dreaded) community organizer. I knew my stuff.

I told Warren in no uncertain terms that he had better go back and have a little chat with God because there was NO way his church would be built there.

And it wasn&#039;t.

His members had NO qualms about contacting me and asserting their views then, and I have no qualms about asserting mine now.

It may well be time for a little gathering at his castle.  If those attending his church cannot understand the implications of his actions and inactions, then perhaps they need a little coaching from the outside.

I could tell you what I think of this &quot;preacher&quot; (and by no means am I a non-believer; I am an Episcopalian that has felt his sting several times now), but that would serve little purpose. 

Suffice it to say I don&#039;t know what book he&#039;s reading, but it ain&#039;t the Good Book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just snapped off a letter to Warren whose megachurch is some ten minutes from me.</p>
<p>I go back a couple decades with this guy. </p>
<p>When he wanted to build his church in a little rural canyon area north of where he eventually plopped his monstrosity of a &#8220;campus&#8221;, he told me that God had told him to put it there.</p>
<p>At the time, I was heavily involved in local land use planning/decisions as a (dreaded) community organizer. I knew my stuff.</p>
<p>I told Warren in no uncertain terms that he had better go back and have a little chat with God because there was NO way his church would be built there.</p>
<p>And it wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>His members had NO qualms about contacting me and asserting their views then, and I have no qualms about asserting mine now.</p>
<p>It may well be time for a little gathering at his castle.  If those attending his church cannot understand the implications of his actions and inactions, then perhaps they need a little coaching from the outside.</p>
<p>I could tell you what I think of this &#8220;preacher&#8221; (and by no means am I a non-believer; I am an Episcopalian that has felt his sting several times now), but that would serve little purpose. </p>
<p>Suffice it to say I don&#8217;t know what book he&#8217;s reading, but it ain&#8217;t the Good Book.</p>
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		<title>By: Uganda Considers Savage Anti-Gay Legislation; GLAAD Urges Mainstream Media to Take Notice : glaadBLOG.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uganda Considers Savage Anti-Gay Legislation; GLAAD Urges Mainstream Media to Take Notice : glaadBLOG.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] conference in Uganda that featured virulently anti-gay speakers. Similarly, the publication Box Turtle Bulletin has connected Warren and other Evangelicals to anti-gay Ugandan Pastor Peter Martin Sempa; Sempa and other church [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] conference in Uganda that featured virulently anti-gay speakers. Similarly, the publication Box Turtle Bulletin has connected Warren and other Evangelicals to anti-gay Ugandan Pastor Peter Martin Sempa; Sempa and other church [...]</p>
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		<title>By: New York Says No, New Jersey Says Probably Not, and Rick Warren SHOULD Have Said No : NO QUARTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>New York Says No, New Jersey Says Probably Not, and Rick Warren SHOULD Have Said No : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That would be President Obama&#8217;s friend Rick Warren. Rick Warren who says he even ate dinner with a gay couple once. Rick Warren who says he doesn&#8217;t hate gay people. Funny, then, that Rick Warren refused to condemn Uganda&#8217;s proposed legislation to executive people for being gay and HIV positive. From Newsweek via Box Turtle: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That would be President Obama&#8217;s friend Rick Warren. Rick Warren who says he even ate dinner with a gay couple once. Rick Warren who says he doesn&#8217;t hate gay people. Funny, then, that Rick Warren refused to condemn Uganda&#8217;s proposed legislation to executive people for being gay and HIV positive. From Newsweek via Box Turtle: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given Rick Warren&#039;s comments about the Iraq War, I can only conclude that he doesn&#039;t view the Uganda bill as evil.  Frankly, it&#039;s an evangelical Christian&#039;s wet dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given Rick Warren&#8217;s comments about the Iraq War, I can only conclude that he doesn&#8217;t view the Uganda bill as evil.  Frankly, it&#8217;s an evangelical Christian&#8217;s wet dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Burr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No compromise with evil huh? So much for that..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No compromise with evil huh? So much for that..</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie89</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Rob Lll:

Yes, Rick Warren did/does support the war in Iraq:

Rick Warren:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Whether or not they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is beside the point. Saddam and his sons were raping the country, literally. And we morally had to do something. If you have a Judeo-Christian heritage, you have to believe it when God says that evil cannot be compromised with. It has to be resisted, it has to be overcome.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This was from an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic:

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/the_rick_warren_interview_no_c.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Rick Warren Interview: No Compromise With Evil&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Rob Lll:</p>
<p>Yes, Rick Warren did/does support the war in Iraq:</p>
<p>Rick Warren:</p>
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Whether or not they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is beside the point. Saddam and his sons were raping the country, literally. And we morally had to do something. If you have a Judeo-Christian heritage, you have to believe it when God says that evil cannot be compromised with. It has to be resisted, it has to be overcome.
</p></blockquote>
<p>This was from an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic:</p>
<p><b><a href="http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/the_rick_warren_interview_no_c.php" rel="nofollow">The Rick Warren Interview: No Compromise With Evil</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: Eddie89</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew M. Mwenda over at the Independent has written an excellent commentary on this abhorrent situation in Uganda:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bahati: Don’t usurp God’s power&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew M. Mwenda over at the Independent has written an excellent commentary on this abhorrent situation in Uganda:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power" rel="nofollow">Bahati: Don’t usurp God’s power</a></p>
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		<title>By: Trauma in Uganda. Pastors that don&#8217;t like gays and other deviations. &#124; Scallywag &#38; Vagabond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trauma in Uganda. Pastors that don&#8217;t like gays and other deviations. &#124; Scallywag &#38; Vagabond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fred Yontz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Yontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was disturbed enough when I heard the details of Rick Warren and the Uganda &quot;Kill Gays&quot; law that I e-mailed the President about this:

President Obama, I have looked upon you as a righteous, compassionate man, and as an African-American one who is particularly well suited to recognize and appreciate the evils of discrimination.  Yet we — and I mean ardent and loyal supporters like me — see you being all friendly and cozy with Rick Warren, to the extent of having him speak at your inauguration.  And that in spite of his support, or lack of condemnation, of the pending &quot;Kill Gays&quot; bill in Uganda.

He begs off, saying &quot;However, it is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations.”  I take that to mean that he would not have criticized or complained about Adolph&#039;s final solution; that&#039;s a political process of another nation.  Can you call this a man of Christ?  That implies that Christ would look the other way, and that is so demeaning of the central figure of Christianity.

I would expect — I would dearly hope — that if you&#039;re the righteous man I think you are (and want you to be), you would loudly denounce the pending &quot;Kill Gays&quot; bill in Uganda, and would also take Rick Warren to task for his acquiescence, if not outright support, for this evil law.  How could you maintain cordial relations with this supposed man of Christ, when he adopts such an anti-Christlike position on so evil and hateful discrimination?  Would you be buddy-buddy with Rick Warren if he were preaching and pushing Jim Crow?  Do you think the pending Ugandan law, and Rick Warren&#039;s tacit support for it, are okay, or nothing you should take a position on out of expediency?  Are you a man of principle, or more Bush-like than we ever suspected?

This is an issue on which I would like to have a response, and my preferred response would be your strong denunciation of the pending Uganda law, but if you&#039;re too timid, or too political, or too Rick-Warren to speak out, then I would like a personal explanation of your position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was disturbed enough when I heard the details of Rick Warren and the Uganda &#8220;Kill Gays&#8221; law that I e-mailed the President about this:</p>
<p>President Obama, I have looked upon you as a righteous, compassionate man, and as an African-American one who is particularly well suited to recognize and appreciate the evils of discrimination.  Yet we — and I mean ardent and loyal supporters like me — see you being all friendly and cozy with Rick Warren, to the extent of having him speak at your inauguration.  And that in spite of his support, or lack of condemnation, of the pending &#8220;Kill Gays&#8221; bill in Uganda.</p>
<p>He begs off, saying &#8220;However, it is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations.”  I take that to mean that he would not have criticized or complained about Adolph&#8217;s final solution; that&#8217;s a political process of another nation.  Can you call this a man of Christ?  That implies that Christ would look the other way, and that is so demeaning of the central figure of Christianity.</p>
<p>I would expect — I would dearly hope — that if you&#8217;re the righteous man I think you are (and want you to be), you would loudly denounce the pending &#8220;Kill Gays&#8221; bill in Uganda, and would also take Rick Warren to task for his acquiescence, if not outright support, for this evil law.  How could you maintain cordial relations with this supposed man of Christ, when he adopts such an anti-Christlike position on so evil and hateful discrimination?  Would you be buddy-buddy with Rick Warren if he were preaching and pushing Jim Crow?  Do you think the pending Ugandan law, and Rick Warren&#8217;s tacit support for it, are okay, or nothing you should take a position on out of expediency?  Are you a man of principle, or more Bush-like than we ever suspected?</p>
<p>This is an issue on which I would like to have a response, and my preferred response would be your strong denunciation of the pending Uganda law, but if you&#8217;re too timid, or too political, or too Rick-Warren to speak out, then I would like a personal explanation of your position.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the good rev can find no fault with anyone involved in this, and like some Pious Pilate, will wash his hands of the innocent blood.

Timothy had it right in his &quot;Ask Amy&quot; response. Heterosexism is largely a complete indifference by a majority of the heterosexual majority to the obvious: that there are now, and there always have been, people who were not ever and are not now or going to be heterosexual. 

But the rev is not a stupid man, nor uninformed, and I&#039;m fairly certain he is not indifferent. Dare I say there seems to be a certain type of dare I call them Christians who have convinced themselves that the being they dare call god hates gay people just as much as they do.

Talk about what you have claimed to learn from what you claim you have made your life&#039;s study!

Someone said-- I can&#039;t remember who, but I suspect voltaire-- that God created man in his own image. And man, being a gentleman, returned the compliment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the good rev can find no fault with anyone involved in this, and like some Pious Pilate, will wash his hands of the innocent blood.</p>
<p>Timothy had it right in his &#8220;Ask Amy&#8221; response. Heterosexism is largely a complete indifference by a majority of the heterosexual majority to the obvious: that there are now, and there always have been, people who were not ever and are not now or going to be heterosexual. </p>
<p>But the rev is not a stupid man, nor uninformed, and I&#8217;m fairly certain he is not indifferent. Dare I say there seems to be a certain type of dare I call them Christians who have convinced themselves that the being they dare call god hates gay people just as much as they do.</p>
<p>Talk about what you have claimed to learn from what you claim you have made your life&#8217;s study!</p>
<p>Someone said&#8211; I can&#8217;t remember who, but I suspect voltaire&#8211; that God created man in his own image. And man, being a gentleman, returned the compliment.</p>
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