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		<title>By: Christian Persecution - Christianity - Page 4 - City-Data Forum</title>
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		<title>By: Christian Persecution - Christianity - Page 3 - City-Data Forum</title>
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		<title>By: Today&#8217;s Lynch List &#8211; Stephen Boissoin edition &#171; The Lynch Mob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Today&#8217;s Lynch List &#8211; Stephen Boissoin edition &#171; The Lynch Mob</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya Lynn,

Don&#039;t try logic with trolls.  In their world, a cross burning on a lawn is a kind gift of warmth on a cold winters&#039; night.</description>
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<p>Don&#8217;t try logic with trolls.  In their world, a cross burning on a lawn is a kind gift of warmth on a cold winters&#8217; night.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose said &quot;By the way, Stephen never compared people in consensual relationships to pedophiles. He was talking about radical activists in the public schools and NAMBLA.&quot;.

Not true Rose.  He started his letter by saying he wasn&#039;t talking to anyone with unwanted same sex attractions.  He then said he was specifically &quot;this is aimed precisely at every individual that in any way supports the homosexual machine that has been mercilessly gaining ground in our society since the 1960s.&quot;.  In other words he aimed his letter at anyone who accepts their gayness and supports equal rights for gays.  He was most definitely comparing those in concensual gay relationships to pedophiles, drug dealers, and pimps and claiming those people are a dire threat to abuse children.

There is nothing radical about pursuing equal rights for gays in society and by Boissoin&#039;s definition anyone who does not try to deny their gayness is an activist.  Boisssoin attacked and called for violence against every self accepting gay and loving gay couple in society.  Boissoin is a blight upon society and its a travesty that he isn&#039;t being punished accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose said &#8220;By the way, Stephen never compared people in consensual relationships to pedophiles. He was talking about radical activists in the public schools and NAMBLA.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not true Rose.  He started his letter by saying he wasn&#8217;t talking to anyone with unwanted same sex attractions.  He then said he was specifically &#8220;this is aimed precisely at every individual that in any way supports the homosexual machine that has been mercilessly gaining ground in our society since the 1960s.&#8221;.  In other words he aimed his letter at anyone who accepts their gayness and supports equal rights for gays.  He was most definitely comparing those in concensual gay relationships to pedophiles, drug dealers, and pimps and claiming those people are a dire threat to abuse children.</p>
<p>There is nothing radical about pursuing equal rights for gays in society and by Boissoin&#8217;s definition anyone who does not try to deny their gayness is an activist.  Boisssoin attacked and called for violence against every self accepting gay and loving gay couple in society.  Boissoin is a blight upon society and its a travesty that he isn&#8217;t being punished accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Regan.

Burr said &quot;It’s not libel or slander when it’s directed at an amorphous group of people. Libel or slander is a crime against a named individual.&quot;.

I&#039;ve encountered a few people who think it&#039;s somehow okay, or less of a crime to libel/slander or call for violence against a group of people than it is to do the same against an individual.  I don&#039;t buy that at all, just look at how the sort of hate speech of people like Boissoin against gays mirrors the hate speech of the Nazi&#039;s against the jews in Germany.

Rose said &quot;Darren Lund is a Hate Pimp.&quot;.

I can&#039;t think of a better example of how profoundly backwards your position is.  Boissoin demonized gay people, called for violence against them while Lund stood against this and you want to call Lund, and not Boissoin the hate pimp!  You&#039;re  deeply messed up Rose.

As Tavdy pointed out. Boissoin&#039;s admonition &quot;It’s time to stand together and take &lt;b&gt;whatever steps are necessary&lt;/b&gt; to reverse the wickedness that our lethargy has authorized to spawn.&quot; is the most thinly veiled call to violence one could possibly make.  Rose, that you would defend a hate pimp lie Boissoin exposes the black black heart inside of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Regan.</p>
<p>Burr said &#8220;It’s not libel or slander when it’s directed at an amorphous group of people. Libel or slander is a crime against a named individual.&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve encountered a few people who think it&#8217;s somehow okay, or less of a crime to libel/slander or call for violence against a group of people than it is to do the same against an individual.  I don&#8217;t buy that at all, just look at how the sort of hate speech of people like Boissoin against gays mirrors the hate speech of the Nazi&#8217;s against the jews in Germany.</p>
<p>Rose said &#8220;Darren Lund is a Hate Pimp.&#8221;.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of a better example of how profoundly backwards your position is.  Boissoin demonized gay people, called for violence against them while Lund stood against this and you want to call Lund, and not Boissoin the hate pimp!  You&#8217;re  deeply messed up Rose.</p>
<p>As Tavdy pointed out. Boissoin&#8217;s admonition &#8220;It’s time to stand together and take <b>whatever steps are necessary</b> to reverse the wickedness that our lethargy has authorized to spawn.&#8221; is the most thinly veiled call to violence one could possibly make.  Rose, that you would defend a hate pimp lie Boissoin exposes the black black heart inside of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t people actually get the facts on this case. Read the legal brief submitted by Stephen Boissoin and the judges decision: 

http://www.law.ualberta.ca/centres/ccs/uploads/Bo... 

http://stephenboissoin.com/downloads/scan013_2009... 

Find out who Steve was and is. You will not find single bad word written about him by any one who actually knew him then or knows him now. And he was a well known youth worker at the time. He had given everything he had to helping troubled kids, including many gay kids. No one who knows him would accuse him of hurting a fly. 

This case was based on the allegation that a gay teenager had been assulted because of the letter. There is no evidence this ever happened. No police report was ever filed. The alleged victim was never identified to the commission or the court. Someone??? took a teenager to the Red Deer Advocate to complain about the letter. Darren Lund, an anti-Christian activist, was a high school teacher in Red Deer at the time, who wanted to bring a United Church minister into the school to teach the kids that the Bible was wrong about homosexuality. Steve had every right to respond. He saw the evidence every day of the harm that promiscuity and lack of moral context regarding every kind of sexuality was having on kids. He had every moral and Charter right to respond to government policy in the public schools. 

Steve&#039;s letter may have been strongly worded and have offended some people, but Darren Lund could have responded by writing a letter himself, but instead, he went home crying and got Big Brother to come take the other kids lunch money. Probably in the range of $200,000 in expenses for Steve. And a ridiculous order from the &quot;Human Rights&quot; Tribunal that Steve pay $5000 to Lund, a non-victim for his whining and suffering and apologize to Lund publically for his deeply held religious beliefs. Even serial killers can not be ordered to do this (maybe in North Korea they can). Thankfully Judge Wilson did every thing but laugh out loud at this. 

Darren Lund is a Hate Pimp. For this, many liberal organizations have richly rewarded him, including giving him an associate professorship at U of C. 

Stephen Boissoin has been put through more than 7 years of hell for voicing very controversial opinions. Even if you hate Stephen&#039;s words, how many of us have not done exactly that, even in writing. Read the letter now that it can actually be published freely. Every one of us should be grateful to Steve for not just giving in to this thug and PAYING HIM OFF like many who have been hauled before these evil Inquisitions have done, just to make it go away. 

As for threats of violence against Lund; maybe someone in the media should ask what kind of threats Stephen got, like HIV loaded syringes. He just doesn&#039;t whine about it and portray himself as a victim the way Lund does. 

By the way, Stephen never compared people in consensual relationships to pedophiles. He was talking about radical activists in the public schools and NAMBLA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t people actually get the facts on this case. Read the legal brief submitted by Stephen Boissoin and the judges decision: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.ualberta.ca/centres/ccs/uploads/Bo" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.ualberta.ca/centres/ccs/uploads/Bo</a>&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://stephenboissoin.com/downloads/scan013_2009" rel="nofollow">http://stephenboissoin.com/downloads/scan013_2009</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>Find out who Steve was and is. You will not find single bad word written about him by any one who actually knew him then or knows him now. And he was a well known youth worker at the time. He had given everything he had to helping troubled kids, including many gay kids. No one who knows him would accuse him of hurting a fly. </p>
<p>This case was based on the allegation that a gay teenager had been assulted because of the letter. There is no evidence this ever happened. No police report was ever filed. The alleged victim was never identified to the commission or the court. Someone??? took a teenager to the Red Deer Advocate to complain about the letter. Darren Lund, an anti-Christian activist, was a high school teacher in Red Deer at the time, who wanted to bring a United Church minister into the school to teach the kids that the Bible was wrong about homosexuality. Steve had every right to respond. He saw the evidence every day of the harm that promiscuity and lack of moral context regarding every kind of sexuality was having on kids. He had every moral and Charter right to respond to government policy in the public schools. </p>
<p>Steve&#8217;s letter may have been strongly worded and have offended some people, but Darren Lund could have responded by writing a letter himself, but instead, he went home crying and got Big Brother to come take the other kids lunch money. Probably in the range of $200,000 in expenses for Steve. And a ridiculous order from the &#8220;Human Rights&#8221; Tribunal that Steve pay $5000 to Lund, a non-victim for his whining and suffering and apologize to Lund publically for his deeply held religious beliefs. Even serial killers can not be ordered to do this (maybe in North Korea they can). Thankfully Judge Wilson did every thing but laugh out loud at this. </p>
<p>Darren Lund is a Hate Pimp. For this, many liberal organizations have richly rewarded him, including giving him an associate professorship at U of C. </p>
<p>Stephen Boissoin has been put through more than 7 years of hell for voicing very controversial opinions. Even if you hate Stephen&#8217;s words, how many of us have not done exactly that, even in writing. Read the letter now that it can actually be published freely. Every one of us should be grateful to Steve for not just giving in to this thug and PAYING HIM OFF like many who have been hauled before these evil Inquisitions have done, just to make it go away. </p>
<p>As for threats of violence against Lund; maybe someone in the media should ask what kind of threats Stephen got, like HIV loaded syringes. He just doesn&#8217;t whine about it and portray himself as a victim the way Lund does. </p>
<p>By the way, Stephen never compared people in consensual relationships to pedophiles. He was talking about radical activists in the public schools and NAMBLA.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boission&#039;s group was challenging C-38.

Hence the letter.
Pat Robertson&#039;s law group got in on this when it went before the AHRC. Religious right groups in the US have made a lot of money saying Boission was facing jail, was jailed etc.

Canada&#039;s group Egale stood up for Boissoin&#039;s right to be a bigot.

Steven Boissoin is not a Reverend and now works in the housing industry. He&#039;s probably still a bigot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boission&#8217;s group was challenging C-38.</p>
<p>Hence the letter.<br />
Pat Robertson&#8217;s law group got in on this when it went before the AHRC. Religious right groups in the US have made a lot of money saying Boission was facing jail, was jailed etc.</p>
<p>Canada&#8217;s group Egale stood up for Boissoin&#8217;s right to be a bigot.</p>
<p>Steven Boissoin is not a Reverend and now works in the housing industry. He&#8217;s probably still a bigot.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burr, your point is well taken. I might point for example to the campaign to oust Kevin Jennings of GLSEN.
He wasn&#039;t the target of Boisson specifically.

 But Kevin Jennings IS a specific person that IS being slandered and libeled and the way information about him is twisted and obfuscated and so on, that IS an example of what you say.


  However, Boisson IS engaging in speech that can be construed as causing direct or indirect hostility, panic and unnecessary paranoia.
  Still unprotected, however amorphous to an unnamed individual, it&#039;s still specifically naming a GROUP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burr, your point is well taken. I might point for example to the campaign to oust Kevin Jennings of GLSEN.<br />
He wasn&#8217;t the target of Boisson specifically.</p>
<p> But Kevin Jennings IS a specific person that IS being slandered and libeled and the way information about him is twisted and obfuscated and so on, that IS an example of what you say.</p>
<p>  However, Boisson IS engaging in speech that can be construed as causing direct or indirect hostility, panic and unnecessary paranoia.<br />
  Still unprotected, however amorphous to an unnamed individual, it&#8217;s still specifically naming a GROUP.</p>
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		<title>By: tavdy79</title>
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		<dc:creator>tavdy79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; It’s time to stand together and take &lt;b&gt;whatever steps are necessary&lt;/b&gt; to reverse the wickedness that our lethargy has authorized to spawn.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(emphasis mine)

Does that sound like incitement to violence to anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> It’s time to stand together and take <b>whatever steps are necessary</b> to reverse the wickedness that our lethargy has authorized to spawn.</p></blockquote>
<p>(emphasis mine)</p>
<p>Does that sound like incitement to violence to anyone?</p>
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