Comments on: Irish Fianna Fáil Party required to vote for Partnerships http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/04/17362 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:53:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Timothy (TRiG) http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/04/17362/comment-page-1#comment-56578 Timothy (TRiG) Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:06:48 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=17362#comment-56578 If a Fianna Fáil TD wants to vote against this, he can. The price for that will be that he will be thrown out of the party. It's called parliamentary whip. Standard practice. It's suspended on some bills, but not on this one. TRiG. If a Fianna Fáil TD wants to vote against this, he can. The price for that will be that he will be thrown out of the party. It’s called parliamentary whip. Standard practice. It’s suspended on some bills, but not on this one.

TRiG.

]]> By: Burr http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/04/17362/comment-page-1#comment-56010 Burr Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:57:32 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=17362#comment-56010 As was said this is how parliamentary systems work. People vote for parties, not candidates, so if a member defies his party and the coalition, it's violating the people's desires and not properly representing them. Cheating in this case would be if some broke party ranks to vote for this. As was said this is how parliamentary systems work. People vote for parties, not candidates, so if a member defies his party and the coalition, it’s violating the people’s desires and not properly representing them. Cheating in this case would be if some broke party ranks to vote for this.

]]> By: Gavino http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/04/17362/comment-page-1#comment-56005 Gavino Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:35:31 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=17362#comment-56005 This isn't news. Strong party discipline is bog standard in parliamentary systems when it comes to executive driven legislation. Indeed, one could say that one of the reasons Europe is ahead of the US on relationship recognition has a lot to do with the nature of the party systems in Europe. This isn’t news. Strong party discipline is bog standard in parliamentary systems when it comes to executive driven legislation. Indeed, one could say that one of the reasons Europe is ahead of the US on relationship recognition has a lot to do with the nature of the party systems in Europe.

]]> By: Chris McCoy http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/04/17362/comment-page-1#comment-56004 Chris McCoy Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:25:28 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=17362#comment-56004 I'm not Irish, and I don't have an in-depth understanding of Irish law, but this is surely unethical. People should be allowed to vote their conscience, even if we disagree with the results. Representatives can rally under the banner of "I didn't want to vote for it, I was forced to." Forcing people to vote against their conscience, against their will, will only increase animosity towards the glbt community. This isn't victory. This is cheating. I’m not Irish, and I don’t have an in-depth understanding of Irish law, but this is surely unethical.

People should be allowed to vote their conscience, even if we disagree with the results.

Representatives can rally under the banner of “I didn’t want to vote for it, I was forced to.”

Forcing people to vote against their conscience, against their will, will only increase animosity towards the glbt community.

This isn’t victory. This is cheating.

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