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	<title>Comments on: Don Schmierer On Uganda: &#8220;What, Me Worry?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katie,

It is seldom that a comment at BTB has less factual accuracy, greater historical ignorance, and fewer cogent points. Pretty impressive, really.</description>
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<p>It is seldom that a comment at BTB has less factual accuracy, greater historical ignorance, and fewer cogent points. Pretty impressive, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 02:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Lively opened a coffee shop in Springfield MA to &quot;re-evangleize Massachusetts

He hired a manager - you only had to look at his pix to know something was amiss

Turns out the guy was violating probation for molesting kids in NY. And rated as &quot;likely to repeat&quot;

What makes Lively so nuts - Psychs will tell you that people who are molested often become molesters themselves 60-80%.

Just google &quot;southern baptists - child molestation&quot;.

And do the same for the catholic church.

Its all over the place. It even looks like they hid these crimes - not to save face, but to create more of their own kind of madmen haters.

I know one who fits the model - a fixed gay.  He&#039;s from MA, born in 1943.  Makes him a perfect candidate for having been molested by his church.

And he&#039;s so nuts he said &quot;Matthew Shepards parents should have fixed him&quot;

And is a desperately orthodox catholic.  Trying desperately to hide from his own victimization in his subconscious.

the church btw has had 2000 years to become expert at psychology.  How else could they have sold their Bullshit.

Sorry to our good catholic friends, but my take on the virgin story is that Mary lived in a culture where women not a virgin on their wedding day were stoned to death - by the ancient hebrews.

So she was most likely raped by a roman soldier and claimed &quot;i have known of no man&quot;

As for the recovery from death by Jesus of some people, ever heard of psychosymatic  illnesses. which can include eg blindness . but strangely enough ( this a known condition in people who are traumatized, eg war)  if you have them walk down a path with obsstacles, they manage to avoid the obstacles.

The subconscious at work.

Jesus was nothing but a Jewish person way ahead of his time re justice.

BTW  Alexander the great was a virgin birth (from a man no less ), pulled out of the forhead of Zeus, the god of war.

Osirus was a virgin birth, son of some other god in egyptian MYTHology.

the whole bis is mostly Mythology, not theology.

Strange how the two words are so close</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Lively opened a coffee shop in Springfield MA to &#8220;re-evangleize Massachusetts</p>
<p>He hired a manager &#8211; you only had to look at his pix to know something was amiss</p>
<p>Turns out the guy was violating probation for molesting kids in NY. And rated as &#8220;likely to repeat&#8221;</p>
<p>What makes Lively so nuts &#8211; Psychs will tell you that people who are molested often become molesters themselves 60-80%.</p>
<p>Just google &#8220;southern baptists &#8211; child molestation&#8221;.</p>
<p>And do the same for the catholic church.</p>
<p>Its all over the place. It even looks like they hid these crimes &#8211; not to save face, but to create more of their own kind of madmen haters.</p>
<p>I know one who fits the model &#8211; a fixed gay.  He&#8217;s from MA, born in 1943.  Makes him a perfect candidate for having been molested by his church.</p>
<p>And he&#8217;s so nuts he said &#8220;Matthew Shepards parents should have fixed him&#8221;</p>
<p>And is a desperately orthodox catholic.  Trying desperately to hide from his own victimization in his subconscious.</p>
<p>the church btw has had 2000 years to become expert at psychology.  How else could they have sold their Bullshit.</p>
<p>Sorry to our good catholic friends, but my take on the virgin story is that Mary lived in a culture where women not a virgin on their wedding day were stoned to death &#8211; by the ancient hebrews.</p>
<p>So she was most likely raped by a roman soldier and claimed &#8220;i have known of no man&#8221;</p>
<p>As for the recovery from death by Jesus of some people, ever heard of psychosymatic  illnesses. which can include eg blindness . but strangely enough ( this a known condition in people who are traumatized, eg war)  if you have them walk down a path with obsstacles, they manage to avoid the obstacles.</p>
<p>The subconscious at work.</p>
<p>Jesus was nothing but a Jewish person way ahead of his time re justice.</p>
<p>BTW  Alexander the great was a virgin birth (from a man no less ), pulled out of the forhead of Zeus, the god of war.</p>
<p>Osirus was a virgin birth, son of some other god in egyptian MYTHology.</p>
<p>the whole bis is mostly Mythology, not theology.</p>
<p>Strange how the two words are so close</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 02:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 words describes Schmiereir  Charistian fascist

others - the people who are still fighting trhe civil war for slavery, the kkk and segregation.

If there was a god, he would be stripped naked , hung upside down and fed to the maggots.

while it somehow miraculously  streamed over Youtube</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 words describes Schmiereir  Charistian fascist</p>
<p>others &#8211; the people who are still fighting trhe civil war for slavery, the kkk and segregation.</p>
<p>If there was a god, he would be stripped naked , hung upside down and fed to the maggots.</p>
<p>while it somehow miraculously  streamed over Youtube</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don keeps saying he was &quot;misled&quot;. &quot;Sucked into something&quot;.  &quot;Didn&#039;t really understand&quot;.  &quot;Didn&#039;t know much about the conference&quot;.  &quot;Thought he would be the only speaker&quot;. &quot;Didn&#039;t know what Lively stood for.&quot; 

He was &quot;DUPED&quot;.  

For this, I give him the &quot;d&#039;oh!&quot; award.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc9f9u2kaEg&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don keeps saying he was &#8220;misled&#8221;. &#8220;Sucked into something&#8221;.  &#8220;Didn&#8217;t really understand&#8221;.  &#8220;Didn&#8217;t know much about the conference&#8221;.  &#8220;Thought he would be the only speaker&#8221;. &#8220;Didn&#8217;t know what Lively stood for.&#8221; </p>
<p>He was &#8220;DUPED&#8221;.  </p>
<p>For this, I give him the &#8220;d&#8217;oh!&#8221; award.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc9f9u2kaEg&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc9f9u2kaEg&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: belen</title>
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		<dc:creator>belen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this?Why don&#039;t I have the gay community pray for YOU?wouldn&#039;t that be ironic?For a man condeming gays to be saved by gays?That&#039;s beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this?Why don&#8217;t I have the gay community pray for YOU?wouldn&#8217;t that be ironic?For a man condeming gays to be saved by gays?That&#8217;s beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: belen</title>
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		<dc:creator>belen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don I&#039;m a 37 yr.old mother of a 19 yr. old gay son.I am surprised that a religous man as yourself is such a hypocrite.You preach about the Bible,however,you haven&#039;t really truly opened your eyes.You are still walking around blinded.I knew since my son was 2 1/2 yrs. old that he might be gay.He was not molested or exposed to any gay activities of the sort...so yeah rule that out.I was a stay at home mother and I attended his classes regularly.I was very cautious with my child in this ugly world.So, you sit there and say they should be held in contempt as equal to a drug user?!wtf!My son is a human being and had no choice of his sexuality.God put him on this earth with a big challenge and not because He didn&#039;t love my son but rather because He knew that my son had the right mother to nuture him.My son is a true blessing from Our Lord and for you to insinuate that God would send me something sinful is an insult from you!My son has one of the most beautiful hearts you&#039;ll be LUCKY to have ever met...he is the most HONEST,GENTLE,KIND,LOVING,FORGIVING and LOYAL and HONORABLE person anyone has ever met....and I&#039;m NOT exaggerating one bit of that.He&#039;s not perfect in other areas...like motivation but for the most important thing that folks lack in todays society my son is top ranked.That&#039;s not just from my mouth that&#039;s from everyone he comes in contact with.So for you to preach something and plant an evil seed in others heads is the devils work.Trust and believe God is watching over us and our doings and what makes you think you won&#039;t be punished as well?You are no better than all the rest....member?We are all stubborn sinners.Until you stop walking around blind you shouldn&#039;t be preaching anywhere.God did not make my son as a mistake He made my son as My Blessing.May God Have Mercy On You Come Judgement Day.All I can do is pray for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don I&#8217;m a 37 yr.old mother of a 19 yr. old gay son.I am surprised that a religous man as yourself is such a hypocrite.You preach about the Bible,however,you haven&#8217;t really truly opened your eyes.You are still walking around blinded.I knew since my son was 2 1/2 yrs. old that he might be gay.He was not molested or exposed to any gay activities of the sort&#8230;so yeah rule that out.I was a stay at home mother and I attended his classes regularly.I was very cautious with my child in this ugly world.So, you sit there and say they should be held in contempt as equal to a drug user?!wtf!My son is a human being and had no choice of his sexuality.God put him on this earth with a big challenge and not because He didn&#8217;t love my son but rather because He knew that my son had the right mother to nuture him.My son is a true blessing from Our Lord and for you to insinuate that God would send me something sinful is an insult from you!My son has one of the most beautiful hearts you&#8217;ll be LUCKY to have ever met&#8230;he is the most HONEST,GENTLE,KIND,LOVING,FORGIVING and LOYAL and HONORABLE person anyone has ever met&#8230;.and I&#8217;m NOT exaggerating one bit of that.He&#8217;s not perfect in other areas&#8230;like motivation but for the most important thing that folks lack in todays society my son is top ranked.That&#8217;s not just from my mouth that&#8217;s from everyone he comes in contact with.So for you to preach something and plant an evil seed in others heads is the devils work.Trust and believe God is watching over us and our doings and what makes you think you won&#8217;t be punished as well?You are no better than all the rest&#8230;.member?We are all stubborn sinners.Until you stop walking around blind you shouldn&#8217;t be preaching anywhere.God did not make my son as a mistake He made my son as My Blessing.May God Have Mercy On You Come Judgement Day.All I can do is pray for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL... ok, &#039;concerning&#039; then, I guess.
;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230; ok, &#8216;concerning&#8217; then, I guess.<br />
;)</p>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn -- they&#039;re trying to cover their asses &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;with&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; their own people???

Wouldn&#039;t a nice pair of slacks be more comfortable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn &#8212; they&#8217;re trying to cover their asses <i><b>with</b></i> their own people???</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t a nice pair of slacks be more comfortable?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I was thinking, grantdale.

And I am sure what that fellow reported about his conversations while flying over the Atlantic with Schmierer point to his lack of truthfulness as to what was expressed on the Exodus blog.  I submitted a post questioning about what was said on that airplane on the Exodus blog, it was never posted.  I think Exodus is trying to cover their asses with their own people, some of whom aren&#039;t as radically fundamental as a Schmierer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I was thinking, grantdale.</p>
<p>And I am sure what that fellow reported about his conversations while flying over the Atlantic with Schmierer point to his lack of truthfulness as to what was expressed on the Exodus blog.  I submitted a post questioning about what was said on that airplane on the Exodus blog, it was never posted.  I think Exodus is trying to cover their asses with their own people, some of whom aren&#8217;t as radically fundamental as a Schmierer.</p>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn,

I suspect that &quot;a Ugandan gay bishop complimented me&quot; is a variation on the &quot;my gay friends&quot; defence.

There was no &quot;gay bishop&quot;. Bishop Ssenyonjo is not gay. Ssenyonyo is however supportive of gay people and has been subjected to abuse and rumours as a consequence.

I suspect Don Schmierer may have asked after who Ssenyonyo was, and had the rumours repeated to him.

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Jim, you also asked which ex-gay video was shown at the conference. Sorry can&#039;t remember where you did that, but it was &quot;The Way Out: How Can We Help?&quot; (as reported by SMUG).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn,</p>
<p>I suspect that &#8220;a Ugandan gay bishop complimented me&#8221; is a variation on the &#8220;my gay friends&#8221; defence.</p>
<p>There was no &#8220;gay bishop&#8221;. Bishop Ssenyonjo is not gay. Ssenyonyo is however supportive of gay people and has been subjected to abuse and rumours as a consequence.</p>
<p>I suspect Don Schmierer may have asked after who Ssenyonyo was, and had the rumours repeated to him.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Jim, you also asked which ex-gay video was shown at the conference. Sorry can&#8217;t remember where you did that, but it was &#8220;The Way Out: How Can We Help?&#8221; (as reported by SMUG).</p>
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