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	<title>Comments on: Vatican Statement about Uganda&#8217;s Proposed Legislation</title>
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	<description>News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Vatican Statement on Uganda. Queering the Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Vatican Statement on Uganda. Queering the Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 06:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For some excellent commentary on the statement, go to Box Turtle Bulletin [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BobN</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/10/17738/comment-page-1#comment-56902</link>
		<dc:creator>BobN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the RCC issues statements against &quot;unjust discrimination&quot;, it means they find &quot;just&quot; discrimination to be completely acceptable.  &quot;Just&quot; discrimination includes criminalization, just not capital punishment (anymore).

See, the Pope draws the line at lynching.  Give them man a medal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the RCC issues statements against &#8220;unjust discrimination&#8221;, it means they find &#8220;just&#8221; discrimination to be completely acceptable.  &#8220;Just&#8221; discrimination includes criminalization, just not capital punishment (anymore).</p>
<p>See, the Pope draws the line at lynching.  Give them man a medal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/10/17738/comment-page-1#comment-56889</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having a hard time belieing that all of this is actually happening.

What kind of a species treats their own offsping in this manner?

And they have the nerve to present this as an issue of moraity???

Really???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having a hard time belieing that all of this is actually happening.</p>
<p>What kind of a species treats their own offsping in this manner?</p>
<p>And they have the nerve to present this as an issue of moraity???</p>
<p>Really???</p>
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		<title>By: Vatican Statement on Uganda. &#171; Queering the Church (towards a reality-based theology)</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/10/17738/comment-page-1#comment-56802</link>
		<dc:creator>Vatican Statement on Uganda. &#171; Queering the Church (towards a reality-based theology)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For some excellent commentary on the statement, go to Box Turtle Bulletin [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/10/17738/comment-page-1#comment-56777</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben: No law is being proposed to kill drug dealers, so that&#039;s just ridiculous. And the catholic church and oher churches should comment about this because it&#039;s the American Religious Right that is responsible for this mess, including some american bishops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben: No law is being proposed to kill drug dealers, so that&#8217;s just ridiculous. And the catholic church and oher churches should comment about this because it&#8217;s the American Religious Right that is responsible for this mess, including some american bishops.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/10/17738/comment-page-1#comment-56769</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that link Ephilei, I frequently encounter people who falsely state the Catholic church stands against mistreatment of gays - this is a powerful reminder of their true position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link Ephilei, I frequently encounter people who falsely state the Catholic church stands against mistreatment of gays &#8211; this is a powerful reminder of their true position.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/10/17738/comment-page-1#comment-56768</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t the Catholic Church already state they support capital punishment for homosexuality: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/02/7040

I always assumed they were pro-bill. But really, &quot;if you&#039;re not for us, you&#039;re against us,&quot; as Jesus said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t the Catholic Church already state they support capital punishment for homosexuality: <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/02/7040" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/02/7040</a></p>
<p>I always assumed they were pro-bill. But really, &#8220;if you&#8217;re not for us, you&#8217;re against us,&#8221; as Jesus said.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/10/17738/comment-page-1#comment-56732</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, when the Catholic Church takes a stand on &quot;kill babies&quot; bills (rather than &quot;kill gays&quot; bill) they are routinely told to shut up and mind their own business.

The Catholic Church is pretty much against all forms of violence--abortion, the death penalty, violence against homosexuals, violence against heterosexuals, violence against rodeo clowns, vegetarians, libertarians, communitarians, rotarians, etc. 

Unlike the Boxturtle Bulletin, they don&#039;t believe that killing a homosexual because he&#039;s a homosexual is a more vicious crime than killing a homosexual drug dealer because you want to take his drugs. I&#039;m talking about the phoney Mathew Shepard &quot;hate crime&quot; of course.

The Catholic Church is even against war, unless it rises to the &quot;just war&quot; standard, which is a pretty high bar to reach. 

So why should the church take a stand on Uganda and its homosexual policy? Aren&#039;t there some church and state issues here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, when the Catholic Church takes a stand on &#8220;kill babies&#8221; bills (rather than &#8220;kill gays&#8221; bill) they are routinely told to shut up and mind their own business.</p>
<p>The Catholic Church is pretty much against all forms of violence&#8211;abortion, the death penalty, violence against homosexuals, violence against heterosexuals, violence against rodeo clowns, vegetarians, libertarians, communitarians, rotarians, etc. </p>
<p>Unlike the Boxturtle Bulletin, they don&#8217;t believe that killing a homosexual because he&#8217;s a homosexual is a more vicious crime than killing a homosexual drug dealer because you want to take his drugs. I&#8217;m talking about the phoney Mathew Shepard &#8220;hate crime&#8221; of course.</p>
<p>The Catholic Church is even against war, unless it rises to the &#8220;just war&#8221; standard, which is a pretty high bar to reach. </p>
<p>So why should the church take a stand on Uganda and its homosexual policy? Aren&#8217;t there some church and state issues here?</p>
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		<title>By: Vatican opposes anti-gay violence: No mention of Uganda &#171; BaptistPlanet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vatican opposes anti-gay violence: No mention of Uganda &#171; BaptistPlanet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bloggers (1, 2) saw the statement as tacit opposition to Uganda&#8217;s gay genocide legislation, although the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/10/17738/comment-page-1#comment-56718</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that same statement the Catholic Church put forward a policy to NOT criminalize homosexuality:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Holy See continues to advocate that &lt;b&gt;every sign of unjust discrimination towards homosexual persons should be avoided and urges States to do away with criminal penalties against them&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
However, if you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/2008/documents/rc_seg-st_20081218_statement-sexual-orientation_en.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;the entire statement&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; it is the Vatican’s policy not to affirm that anyone is homosexual and necessarily needs their rights protected.  Yes, it’s a rather schizoid statement.  

The Catholic Church sees no &#039;right to homosexuality&#039; because it does not see the gay people as a subset of the &#039;natural law&#039; human condition.  Thus while it urges states to do away with criminalizing homosexuality, the Catholic Church see no need to make it the policy of the UN, thus giving the idea a weight in law.  This gives the Church the freedom to speak out of both sides of its mouths and allow suffragean dioceses to compete with other Christians in countries such as Uganda to see who can be more homophobic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that same statement the Catholic Church put forward a policy to NOT criminalize homosexuality:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Holy See continues to advocate that <b>every sign of unjust discrimination towards homosexual persons should be avoided and urges States to do away with criminal penalties against them</b>.</p></blockquote>
<p>However, if you read <a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/2008/documents/rc_seg-st_20081218_statement-sexual-orientation_en.html" rel="nofollow"><b>the entire statement</b></a> it is the Vatican’s policy not to affirm that anyone is homosexual and necessarily needs their rights protected.  Yes, it’s a rather schizoid statement.  </p>
<p>The Catholic Church sees no &#8216;right to homosexuality&#8217; because it does not see the gay people as a subset of the &#8216;natural law&#8217; human condition.  Thus while it urges states to do away with criminalizing homosexuality, the Catholic Church see no need to make it the policy of the UN, thus giving the idea a weight in law.  This gives the Church the freedom to speak out of both sides of its mouths and allow suffragean dioceses to compete with other Christians in countries such as Uganda to see who can be more homophobic.<br />
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