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		<title>By: &#187; Creeping Towards Acceptance in Faith: Russian Orthodox Church, Gay Jews Queering the Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Creeping Towards Acceptance in Faith: Russian Orthodox Church, Gay Jews Queering the Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 06:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stuffed Animal</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/26/18834/comment-page-1#comment-77748</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuffed Animal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Queer&quot; is not a unifying term if I, a Gay man, do not agree that it is!  The embracing of hate speech is not something that can be decided by consensus.  And who decided Lesbians, Gay men, Bisexual and Transsexual Folk needed to be lumped in together?  With Straight people, too?  Under a derogatory label, no less?  That&#039;s just a recipe for confusion.  I like LGBT because it preserves the individuality of the people it groups together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Queer&#8221; is not a unifying term if I, a Gay man, do not agree that it is!  The embracing of hate speech is not something that can be decided by consensus.  And who decided Lesbians, Gay men, Bisexual and Transsexual Folk needed to be lumped in together?  With Straight people, too?  Under a derogatory label, no less?  That&#8217;s just a recipe for confusion.  I like LGBT because it preserves the individuality of the people it groups together.</p>
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		<title>By: Creeping Towards Acceptance in Faith &#171; Queering the Church (towards a reality-based theology)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creeping Towards Acceptance in Faith &#171; Queering the Church (towards a reality-based theology)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;YU Student,&lt;/b&gt;

Unless I am mistaken, Joel seems to be suggesting &lt;b&gt;after the fact&lt;/b&gt; that the event was unfortunate and it would have been better that it not have taken place.

Perhaps you have additional information that we do not have?  If so, please provide a link to it so that we may all know what you know and not remain in ignorance.</description>
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<p>Unless I am mistaken, Joel seems to be suggesting <b>after the fact</b> that the event was unfortunate and it would have been better that it not have taken place.</p>
<p>Perhaps you have additional information that we do not have?  If so, please provide a link to it so that we may all know what you know and not remain in ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say it here as I&#039;ve said it in XGW:

 It&#039;s rather strange, if not unseemly to discuss such a large portion of all of humanity, but without their participation.
Especially on matters that directly and adversely affect their lives.

  Halacha, just like most other religious doctrine, was established during ancient times of exceptional barbarism, diasporia and insecurity, not compassion or scientific relevance.

  Also, most of which, has entitled MEN more, women less, and ignored the fluid  or diverse nature of gender and gender based sexuality.

  Accurate knowledge can&#039;t abide isolating people from one another. Cutting off communication and allowing assumptions and prejudice to inform the situation.

    I&#039;d ask YU Pres. Joel, what IS there to fear from knowledge and empirical experience isn&#039;t that what SCHOOL is about?
 Halacha is no reason to reject it, nor assume Halacha will lose integrity from knowing and loving and accepting gay folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say it here as I&#8217;ve said it in XGW:</p>
<p> It&#8217;s rather strange, if not unseemly to discuss such a large portion of all of humanity, but without their participation.<br />
Especially on matters that directly and adversely affect their lives.</p>
<p>  Halacha, just like most other religious doctrine, was established during ancient times of exceptional barbarism, diasporia and insecurity, not compassion or scientific relevance.</p>
<p>  Also, most of which, has entitled MEN more, women less, and ignored the fluid  or diverse nature of gender and gender based sexuality.</p>
<p>  Accurate knowledge can&#8217;t abide isolating people from one another. Cutting off communication and allowing assumptions and prejudice to inform the situation.</p>
<p>    I&#8217;d ask YU Pres. Joel, what IS there to fear from knowledge and empirical experience isn&#8217;t that what SCHOOL is about?<br />
 Halacha is no reason to reject it, nor assume Halacha will lose integrity from knowing and loving and accepting gay folks.</p>
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		<title>By: YU Student</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/26/18834/comment-page-1#comment-58099</link>
		<dc:creator>YU Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 08:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author of the portions in parentheses is ignorant. It was indeed very decent and sensitive for YU to hold this event. Given that homosexual practices are strictly against halacha and that YU, as an institution, promotes adherence to halacha, holding this event certainly is indicative of &quot;open-minded&quot; actions. If Joel was &quot;condemnatory&quot; this event would definitely not have taken place. He merely stated that this sort of event runs the danger of obscuring the Torah&#039;s message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author of the portions in parentheses is ignorant. It was indeed very decent and sensitive for YU to hold this event. Given that homosexual practices are strictly against halacha and that YU, as an institution, promotes adherence to halacha, holding this event certainly is indicative of &#8220;open-minded&#8221; actions. If Joel was &#8220;condemnatory&#8221; this event would definitely not have taken place. He merely stated that this sort of event runs the danger of obscuring the Torah&#8217;s message.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark F., see Jason D&#039;s answer for my response. I personally identify as &quot;queer,&quot; not just because it describes my sexuality, but it describes my humanity as a whole. 

And before arguing with &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; on the use of the word, you might want to take it up with every University in the world that offers a course in &quot;Queer Theory.&quot;

Aaron T, yes that is what I meant when I was referencing the Orthodoxy; that individuals are coming around rather than the overall stance of the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark F., see Jason D&#8217;s answer for my response. I personally identify as &#8220;queer,&#8221; not just because it describes my sexuality, but it describes my humanity as a whole. </p>
<p>And before arguing with <i>me</i> on the use of the word, you might want to take it up with every University in the world that offers a course in &#8220;Queer Theory.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aaron T, yes that is what I meant when I was referencing the Orthodoxy; that individuals are coming around rather than the overall stance of the organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m pleased to say that especially in America, even the Orthodoxy of Judaism is coming around to Queer tolerance and even acceptance.&quot;

In terms of individuals -- at least within the Modern Orthodox community, this may be happening to some degree.  It is absolutely not happening, more than glacially, at an institutional level -- just look at the opposition and controversy this event has aroused.  Of course, that such a gathering could be held is a tremendous step in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m pleased to say that especially in America, even the Orthodoxy of Judaism is coming around to Queer tolerance and even acceptance.&#8221;</p>
<p>In terms of individuals &#8212; at least within the Modern Orthodox community, this may be happening to some degree.  It is absolutely not happening, more than glacially, at an institutional level &#8212; just look at the opposition and controversy this event has aroused.  Of course, that such a gathering could be held is a tremendous step in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, because Queer encompasses all of those categories AND our straight supporters the &quot;straight but not narrow&quot; crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, because Queer encompasses all of those categories AND our straight supporters the &#8220;straight but not narrow&#8221; crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily K.:

I know you mean no harm, but a lot of  people, including myself, hate the word &quot;queer.&quot;  I know the arguments in favor of using it, but I disagree. Why do you insist on using this word? Nobody objects to gay, lesbian, bisexual, homosexual or transgender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily K.:</p>
<p>I know you mean no harm, but a lot of  people, including myself, hate the word &#8220;queer.&#8221;  I know the arguments in favor of using it, but I disagree. Why do you insist on using this word? Nobody objects to gay, lesbian, bisexual, homosexual or transgender.</p>
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