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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here in Brazil, male prostitution isn&#039;t exacly legalized, but, like any prostitution, it isn&#039;t illegal. The only reference to prostitution in the law is that you cannot &quot;favor&quot; prostitution, meaning, no pimps. 

It&#039;s a private matter, and if you meet somebody (of either sex) on the street or anyplace else (especially saunas for men only) and you decide to go someplace to have sex, you do. That&#039;s it. And if one of these consenting adults pays the other consenting adult, that is of no interest to the law, the police, the government, etc. In this sense, all prostitution is legal, no sweat. But don&#039;t mess with minors because you might spend some years in jail. 

BigJoe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here in Brazil, male prostitution isn&#8217;t exacly legalized, but, like any prostitution, it isn&#8217;t illegal. The only reference to prostitution in the law is that you cannot &#8220;favor&#8221; prostitution, meaning, no pimps. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a private matter, and if you meet somebody (of either sex) on the street or anyplace else (especially saunas for men only) and you decide to go someplace to have sex, you do. That&#8217;s it. And if one of these consenting adults pays the other consenting adult, that is of no interest to the law, the police, the government, etc. In this sense, all prostitution is legal, no sweat. But don&#8217;t mess with minors because you might spend some years in jail. </p>
<p>BigJoe</p>
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		<title>By: Nevada Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nevada Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi Fleiss tried to do this a few years ago, and it would have been strictly for hetero sex, or so she said.  I imagine she probably included couples in the concept of hetero though.  Though she had legal and financial troubles from the get go, I believe it ultimately fell through because they felt there would not be enough money to be made from hetero women.  That may have been true back then, though I think a lot more women would be willing to pay for sex now.  But I think there will be more a demand for homosexual sex than people might assume.

Many of the peripheral ethical issues of prostitution are resolved by legalization and oversight of the industry.  The same can be said of many things, like marijuana.  There is nothing unethical about imbibing in marijuana, but buying it from the black market…?  That promotes all sorts of unethical circumstances.  I have a friend who is a priest and he has worked with prostitutes and other members of the “downtrodden,” in Nevada and all over the world.  His peers were none too pleased when during a speech at a national convention he refused to talk about the sins and folly of legalized prostitution.  He explained that having worked with legal and illegal prostitutes, there was no way he could pretend that making it illegal in NV would do anything but harm.

I believe in legal prostitution.  I don’t see anything wrong with it, and I see how it can benefit society.  I’ve spoken with many prostitutes; some of who do not want to deal with the inconveniences of legalization (yes, NV has plenty of illegal prostitutes too), and none of their experiences ever made me change my opinion.  In fact, they’ve only reinforced it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi Fleiss tried to do this a few years ago, and it would have been strictly for hetero sex, or so she said.  I imagine she probably included couples in the concept of hetero though.  Though she had legal and financial troubles from the get go, I believe it ultimately fell through because they felt there would not be enough money to be made from hetero women.  That may have been true back then, though I think a lot more women would be willing to pay for sex now.  But I think there will be more a demand for homosexual sex than people might assume.</p>
<p>Many of the peripheral ethical issues of prostitution are resolved by legalization and oversight of the industry.  The same can be said of many things, like marijuana.  There is nothing unethical about imbibing in marijuana, but buying it from the black market…?  That promotes all sorts of unethical circumstances.  I have a friend who is a priest and he has worked with prostitutes and other members of the “downtrodden,” in Nevada and all over the world.  His peers were none too pleased when during a speech at a national convention he refused to talk about the sins and folly of legalized prostitution.  He explained that having worked with legal and illegal prostitutes, there was no way he could pretend that making it illegal in NV would do anything but harm.</p>
<p>I believe in legal prostitution.  I don’t see anything wrong with it, and I see how it can benefit society.  I’ve spoken with many prostitutes; some of who do not want to deal with the inconveniences of legalization (yes, NV has plenty of illegal prostitutes too), and none of their experiences ever made me change my opinion.  In fact, they’ve only reinforced it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Male prostitution is quite legal in several of our european neighbors. It even used to be legal in Indonesia, though i&#039;m not sure that is the case any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Male prostitution is quite legal in several of our european neighbors. It even used to be legal in Indonesia, though i&#8217;m not sure that is the case any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnson:  I won&#039;t, but someone might. You never know.  Different strokes for different folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnson:  I won&#8217;t, but someone might. You never know.  Different strokes for different folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be driving out to the middle of nowhere to do some guy in a trailer anytime soon.  How &#039;bout the rest of you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be driving out to the middle of nowhere to do some guy in a trailer anytime soon.  How &#8217;bout the rest of you?</p>
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		<title>By: Joaquin Arroyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joaquin Arroyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This man is obviously ignorant. There was male prostitution in the Middle East, Greece and Rome, sometimes in temples dedicated to the goddesses of love and fertility, often in commercial brothels. There was male prostitution in China: it horrified Father Matteo Ricci, who observed it in Peking in the 16th century. There were male brothels in London in the 19th century, and even in New York, as another comment rightly points out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This man is obviously ignorant. There was male prostitution in the Middle East, Greece and Rome, sometimes in temples dedicated to the goddesses of love and fertility, often in commercial brothels. There was male prostitution in China: it horrified Father Matteo Ricci, who observed it in Peking in the 16th century. There were male brothels in London in the 19th century, and even in New York, as another comment rightly points out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between &quot;ethics&quot; and &quot;morals&quot;?  The first word is of Greek origin and the second one is of Latin origin.  The philosophers that originally used them made it clear that the two words were dealing with the same concept.

There have been attempts to make a distinction between the two today, but I&#039;ve never found any such attempts compelling.  Heck, most dictionaries even tend to use the two words in each others&#039; definitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between &#8220;ethics&#8221; and &#8220;morals&#8221;?  The first word is of Greek origin and the second one is of Latin origin.  The philosophers that originally used them made it clear that the two words were dealing with the same concept.</p>
<p>There have been attempts to make a distinction between the two today, but I&#8217;ve never found any such attempts compelling.  Heck, most dictionaries even tend to use the two words in each others&#8217; definitions.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desiree said &quot;It might be an ethical issue but not a moral one.&quot;.

Ethics and morals are one in the same to me.  Seems to me once someone tried to explain the difference here, but all the hair splitting was completely lost on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desiree said &#8220;It might be an ethical issue but not a moral one.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ethics and morals are one in the same to me.  Seems to me once someone tried to explain the difference here, but all the hair splitting was completely lost on me.</p>
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		<title>By: wackadoodle</title>
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		<dc:creator>wackadoodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why is anyone referring to this as immoral? This is America – we are allowed to have sex; we are allowed to sell things; so why aren’t we allowed to sell sex? Makes no sense to me. How, when, why and for what cost anyone has sex isn’t a moral issue. It might be an ethical issue but not a moral one.&quot;

It&#039;s completely illegal in most states to pay someone to have sex with you. UNLESS you set up a camera, tape it and sell copies. Then its perfectly legal.

Another one of America&#039;s oh-so logical laws, makes as much sense as the ones banning pot or gays in the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why is anyone referring to this as immoral? This is America – we are allowed to have sex; we are allowed to sell things; so why aren’t we allowed to sell sex? Makes no sense to me. How, when, why and for what cost anyone has sex isn’t a moral issue. It might be an ethical issue but not a moral one.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s completely illegal in most states to pay someone to have sex with you. UNLESS you set up a camera, tape it and sell copies. Then its perfectly legal.</p>
<p>Another one of America&#8217;s oh-so logical laws, makes as much sense as the ones banning pot or gays in the military.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Désirée:

Actually, I do think there are moral considerations about prostitution.  There&#039;s a difference between an independent contractor freely choosing to work at the Shady Lady and a prostitute who has been tricked into the profession and somehow coerced into remaining in it.  There are also other issues with regards safety and exploitation.  So while there may be nothing inherently immoral with having sex for money, there are a number of important peripheral concerns.  Of course, legalizing prostitution and ensuring that licensed brothels maintain good standards while going after those individuals who do exploit and otherwise harm their prostitutes is a good way to address those peripheral issues.

I think part of the issue, though, is that most of us have a hard time imagining getting paid to have sex, or why anyone would want to have sex.  We tend to see it as a matter of cheapening ourselves and our sexual experiences, and it&#039;s hard to see any other perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Désirée:</p>
<p>Actually, I do think there are moral considerations about prostitution.  There&#8217;s a difference between an independent contractor freely choosing to work at the Shady Lady and a prostitute who has been tricked into the profession and somehow coerced into remaining in it.  There are also other issues with regards safety and exploitation.  So while there may be nothing inherently immoral with having sex for money, there are a number of important peripheral concerns.  Of course, legalizing prostitution and ensuring that licensed brothels maintain good standards while going after those individuals who do exploit and otherwise harm their prostitutes is a good way to address those peripheral issues.</p>
<p>I think part of the issue, though, is that most of us have a hard time imagining getting paid to have sex, or why anyone would want to have sex.  We tend to see it as a matter of cheapening ourselves and our sexual experiences, and it&#8217;s hard to see any other perspective.</p>
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