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	<title>Comments on: Scott Brown wins Massachusetts Senate seat: what does that mean?</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/01/19/19629/comment-page-1#comment-60385</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This link shows Scott Brown&#039;s stance on the top three gay issues.  He&#039;s anti-gay on each one of them.  I honestly don&#039;t understand how people can be surprised by this.

http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=5147&amp;MediaType=1&amp;Category=25</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This link shows Scott Brown&#8217;s stance on the top three gay issues.  He&#8217;s anti-gay on each one of them.  I honestly don&#8217;t understand how people can be surprised by this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=5147&#038;MediaType=1&#038;Category=25" rel="nofollow">http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=5147&#038;MediaType=1&#038;Category=25</a></p>
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		<title>By: Burr</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/01/19/19629/comment-page-1#comment-60333</link>
		<dc:creator>Burr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan L makes the point I wanted to make.

Clearly nobody voted for Brown because they suddenly changed their mind on gay rights issues, so his stay will be a short one if he chooses to ignore the popular will on that count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan L makes the point I wanted to make.</p>
<p>Clearly nobody voted for Brown because they suddenly changed their mind on gay rights issues, so his stay will be a short one if he chooses to ignore the popular will on that count.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/01/19/19629/comment-page-1#comment-60315</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just received another fundraising appeal from the DSCC yesterday. I wrote them a short note back:

&quot;As a life-long Democrat: Not one dime! As a gay man: Not one dime!
As a concerned american citizen: not one dime!

I can only say that you are as spineless and useless as the Republicans are stupid and vicious.

Not one dime!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just received another fundraising appeal from the DSCC yesterday. I wrote them a short note back:</p>
<p>&#8220;As a life-long Democrat: Not one dime! As a gay man: Not one dime!<br />
As a concerned american citizen: not one dime!</p>
<p>I can only say that you are as spineless and useless as the Republicans are stupid and vicious.</p>
<p>Not one dime!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen: I am with you. I don&#039;t like Brown, I loathed Coakley, she was a monster in what she did to people who were innocent and languishing in jail. Also, you are the first gay-oriented site I&#039;ve seen to make the important point that the private sector does recognize gay partners for insurance all over the place and federal law bans such recognition. 

Politically controlled programs tend to benefit the majority to whom politicians are appealing. To do that they often have consciously screw minorities. Gay people are taxed at higher rates in order to subsidize straight people in program after program, often for programs they can&#039;t apply for because its for &quot;married&quot; people (consider how gay people subsidize social security so surviving wives can collect but not surviving same-sex partners).

Gay people will be at the short-end of the stick once again. But, hey, don&#039;t worry, Obama will appoint a gay person to some relatively unimportant position and give us hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen: I am with you. I don&#8217;t like Brown, I loathed Coakley, she was a monster in what she did to people who were innocent and languishing in jail. Also, you are the first gay-oriented site I&#8217;ve seen to make the important point that the private sector does recognize gay partners for insurance all over the place and federal law bans such recognition. </p>
<p>Politically controlled programs tend to benefit the majority to whom politicians are appealing. To do that they often have consciously screw minorities. Gay people are taxed at higher rates in order to subsidize straight people in program after program, often for programs they can&#8217;t apply for because its for &#8220;married&#8221; people (consider how gay people subsidize social security so surviving wives can collect but not surviving same-sex partners).</p>
<p>Gay people will be at the short-end of the stick once again. But, hey, don&#8217;t worry, Obama will appoint a gay person to some relatively unimportant position and give us hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that John and Bruce Garrett already cover it, but I&#039;m surprised to see Timothy fall into the Republican hype so easily.  The Public Option was already long dead, and the Republicans have zero intention on voting for any public health care reform whatsoever.  They said the goal was to kill health care to embarrass Obama, and they have indeed succeeded.  It&#039;s quite shocking to see a liberal such as yourself falling for it.  

And ENDA?  DADT repeal?  Just as dead.  Any gay person celebrating this win should be ashamed of themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that John and Bruce Garrett already cover it, but I&#8217;m surprised to see Timothy fall into the Republican hype so easily.  The Public Option was already long dead, and the Republicans have zero intention on voting for any public health care reform whatsoever.  They said the goal was to kill health care to embarrass Obama, and they have indeed succeeded.  It&#8217;s quite shocking to see a liberal such as yourself falling for it.  </p>
<p>And ENDA?  DADT repeal?  Just as dead.  Any gay person celebrating this win should be ashamed of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see John already covered this, but swear to god when I read your post here Timothy I wondered what I&#039;d been missing all these months.  The republicans weren&#039;t frozen out, they just stubbornly refused to participate, and not just with regard to health care.  I think their strategy here is pretty obvious: deny the democrats the ability to get much of anything done and then blame the fact that nothing much got done on the democrats.  

Which is not to say the democrats are faultless here.  This is the scorched earth war on the Clinton presidency all over again and if they can&#039;t see it coming then maybe they just aren&#039;t up to governing after all.  You don&#039;t bring a warm handshake and a friendly smile to a knife fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see John already covered this, but swear to god when I read your post here Timothy I wondered what I&#8217;d been missing all these months.  The republicans weren&#8217;t frozen out, they just stubbornly refused to participate, and not just with regard to health care.  I think their strategy here is pretty obvious: deny the democrats the ability to get much of anything done and then blame the fact that nothing much got done on the democrats.  </p>
<p>Which is not to say the democrats are faultless here.  This is the scorched earth war on the Clinton presidency all over again and if they can&#8217;t see it coming then maybe they just aren&#8217;t up to governing after all.  You don&#8217;t bring a warm handshake and a friendly smile to a knife fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was Mark Twain who said &quot;I don&#039;t belong to any organized political party. you see, I&#039;m a Democrat.&quot;

As jon stewart has pointed out, , The demos have a bigger majority than the republicans ever had since 1923. But they didn&#039;t do a thing that we elected them to do, OFAMA (our fierce advocate my ass) included. They managed to pass the hate crimes bill-- better than not passing it, but of little value to our community compared to ENDA, and DADT and DOMA repeals.

and as for the greater community-- the bailout went to the people who caused it, rather than creating jobs. we&#039;re still in Afghanistand, iraq, and threatening to go into dumbfuckistan as well. Healthcare? A joke. Arcane senate rules that mean the minority, not the majority rules? Still there. It has paralyzed my homew state of California as well.

And on and on and on.

I could think of almost no republican i could vote for, and haven&#039;t since john anderson in 1980. I can barely stomach the democrats-- any of them. And worse, I fear our country is in serious decline, with no hope on the horizon.
$14 trillion in debt owed to people who do not like us, 2 wars we cannot win, and greed, pettiness, and stupidity constituting a major portion of our very gross national product.

And worst of all, i keep wondering about the handmaids tale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was Mark Twain who said &#8220;I don&#8217;t belong to any organized political party. you see, I&#8217;m a Democrat.&#8221;</p>
<p>As jon stewart has pointed out, , The demos have a bigger majority than the republicans ever had since 1923. But they didn&#8217;t do a thing that we elected them to do, OFAMA (our fierce advocate my ass) included. They managed to pass the hate crimes bill&#8211; better than not passing it, but of little value to our community compared to ENDA, and DADT and DOMA repeals.</p>
<p>and as for the greater community&#8211; the bailout went to the people who caused it, rather than creating jobs. we&#8217;re still in Afghanistand, iraq, and threatening to go into dumbfuckistan as well. Healthcare? A joke. Arcane senate rules that mean the minority, not the majority rules? Still there. It has paralyzed my homew state of California as well.</p>
<p>And on and on and on.</p>
<p>I could think of almost no republican i could vote for, and haven&#8217;t since john anderson in 1980. I can barely stomach the democrats&#8211; any of them. And worse, I fear our country is in serious decline, with no hope on the horizon.<br />
$14 trillion in debt owed to people who do not like us, 2 wars we cannot win, and greed, pettiness, and stupidity constituting a major portion of our very gross national product.</p>
<p>And worst of all, i keep wondering about the handmaids tale.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Scott Brown wants to stay Senator from Massachusetts past 2012, there is no way in hell he will vote against ENDA.  Indeed, his election may actually make ENDA&#039;s passage this year more likely.  A number of vulnerable, red-state Democrats are going to want to postpone any vote on it until at least 2011.  If you can offer them the political cover of darling-of-Republicans-everywhere Scott Brown, they may be more likely to go along with a vote this year.

In fact, while it&#039;s too early to tell, I think that Brown has the potential to be a significant asset.  Supporting at least some gay issues gives him a ready-made way to distinguish himself from those &quot;other&quot; Republicans, especially if he sticks closely to the fiscally conservative platform he campaigned on.  It would unquestionably improve his re-electability in Massachusetts in 2012.  His ability to provide Democrats with unmatched political cover on a number of key gay issues--such as federal civil unions--could therefore prove pivotal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Scott Brown wants to stay Senator from Massachusetts past 2012, there is no way in hell he will vote against ENDA.  Indeed, his election may actually make ENDA&#8217;s passage this year more likely.  A number of vulnerable, red-state Democrats are going to want to postpone any vote on it until at least 2011.  If you can offer them the political cover of darling-of-Republicans-everywhere Scott Brown, they may be more likely to go along with a vote this year.</p>
<p>In fact, while it&#8217;s too early to tell, I think that Brown has the potential to be a significant asset.  Supporting at least some gay issues gives him a ready-made way to distinguish himself from those &#8220;other&#8221; Republicans, especially if he sticks closely to the fiscally conservative platform he campaigned on.  It would unquestionably improve his re-electability in Massachusetts in 2012.  His ability to provide Democrats with unmatched political cover on a number of key gay issues&#8211;such as federal civil unions&#8211;could therefore prove pivotal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see John already covered it, but the bill that passes is exactly what Obama wanted. A do-nothing bill that pleases the campaign financiers while having a thin veneer of reform on top. It&#039;s going to f**k over Americans more than the current system because there are no cost caps.

Currently 60% of US personal bankruptcies are because of health care costs, and of those, 75% had some form of coverage. Meaning the bare bones system is not enough to drive someone into financial ruin. These bare-bones do-nothing coverages are what everyone will be forced to buy. It&#039;s regressive, it won&#039;t improve the US&#039;s healthcare system, and absolutely should be blocked and real UHC demanded with a public option from both democrats and republicans, because neither of them are behind what we need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see John already covered it, but the bill that passes is exactly what Obama wanted. A do-nothing bill that pleases the campaign financiers while having a thin veneer of reform on top. It&#8217;s going to f**k over Americans more than the current system because there are no cost caps.</p>
<p>Currently 60% of US personal bankruptcies are because of health care costs, and of those, 75% had some form of coverage. Meaning the bare bones system is not enough to drive someone into financial ruin. These bare-bones do-nothing coverages are what everyone will be forced to buy. It&#8217;s regressive, it won&#8217;t improve the US&#8217;s healthcare system, and absolutely should be blocked and real UHC demanded with a public option from both democrats and republicans, because neither of them are behind what we need.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, what reality are you living in? Obama and his cabinet have done nothing whatsoever toward a public option. The lack of real healthcare for the American people has nothing to do with the Democrats shutting out the Republicans, and everything to do with them allowing the private healthcare industries to craft the new healthcare bills with them behind closed doors. Shame on you for making it an Us vs Them debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, what reality are you living in? Obama and his cabinet have done nothing whatsoever toward a public option. The lack of real healthcare for the American people has nothing to do with the Democrats shutting out the Republicans, and everything to do with them allowing the private healthcare industries to craft the new healthcare bills with them behind closed doors. Shame on you for making it an Us vs Them debate.</p>
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