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	<title>Comments on: The Advocate&#8217;s foolish and sad &#8220;Gayest City&#8221; ranking</title>
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		<title>By: Jaft</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/01/22/19806/comment-page-1#comment-60850</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys...Seth&#039;s comment was sarcasm in order to disagree with Timothy. He doesn&#039;t believe what he wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys&#8230;Seth&#8217;s comment was sarcasm in order to disagree with Timothy. He doesn&#8217;t believe what he wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/01/22/19806/comment-page-1#comment-60702</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Chris, well said.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Therefore, I hope you will join the growing number of gay men and lesbians who are questioning the logic of identifying “gay and lesbian” with “transgender”, a term which covers transsexualism and cross-dressing and which describes a population that is overwhelmingly heterosexual.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow. Just. wow.

While we&#039;re disassociating ourselves with the &quot;cross-dressers&quot;, why don&#039;t we throw the bisexuals under the bus, too. They&#039;re really just in denial about being gay anyway, right?

And the lesbians. I mean, they don&#039;t even like dick.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Gay men have fought against the lie that they are not “real men” or that they constitute a “third sex”. That struggle is completely undermined by the false creation known as “LGBT”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Translation: &quot;Transgendered people aren&#039;t “real men” either, so they deserve to be thrown aside, and left to fend for themselves.&quot; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;If you are going to take the Advocate to task for embracing stereotypes, you should consider how unthinkingly this blog does the same.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or, maybe we recognize that all sexual minorities are equally deserving of the same rights - the right to be who we are and to not be judged as less because of it.

And we realize that by banding together, we help lift each other up.

The last thing the GLBT (I think we should use BGLT - alphabetical order) community needs is more in-fighting. United We Stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Therefore, I hope you will join the growing number of gay men and lesbians who are questioning the logic of identifying “gay and lesbian” with “transgender”, a term which covers transsexualism and cross-dressing and which describes a population that is overwhelmingly heterosexual.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow. Just. wow.</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re disassociating ourselves with the &#8220;cross-dressers&#8221;, why don&#8217;t we throw the bisexuals under the bus, too. They&#8217;re really just in denial about being gay anyway, right?</p>
<p>And the lesbians. I mean, they don&#8217;t even like dick.</p>
<blockquote><p>Gay men have fought against the lie that they are not “real men” or that they constitute a “third sex”. That struggle is completely undermined by the false creation known as “LGBT”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Translation: &#8220;Transgendered people aren&#8217;t “real men” either, so they deserve to be thrown aside, and left to fend for themselves.&#8221; </p>
<blockquote><p>If you are going to take the Advocate to task for embracing stereotypes, you should consider how unthinkingly this blog does the same.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or, maybe we recognize that all sexual minorities are equally deserving of the same rights &#8211; the right to be who we are and to not be judged as less because of it.</p>
<p>And we realize that by banding together, we help lift each other up.</p>
<p>The last thing the GLBT (I think we should use BGLT &#8211; alphabetical order) community needs is more in-fighting. United We Stand.</p>
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		<title>By: fannie</title>
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		<dc:creator>fannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the saddest part about The Advocate is that it pretends to be more than just a magazine for gay men.  

What, for instance, do the following criteria have to say about how &quot;lesbian&quot; a city is:

&quot;gay dating and hookup profiles for single male population&quot;

&quot;cruising spots per capita&quot;


It&#039;s clear that sometimes the magazine uses the word &quot;gay&quot; to mean &quot;all LGBT people,&quot; but much of the time it really only means &quot;gay male.&quot;  By continually subsuming lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people into the category of &quot;gay man,&quot; The Advocate effectively invisibilizes those of us who are not gay men (or at least, their uninspired stereotypical versions of gay men).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the saddest part about The Advocate is that it pretends to be more than just a magazine for gay men.  </p>
<p>What, for instance, do the following criteria have to say about how &#8220;lesbian&#8221; a city is:</p>
<p>&#8220;gay dating and hookup profiles for single male population&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;cruising spots per capita&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear that sometimes the magazine uses the word &#8220;gay&#8221; to mean &#8220;all LGBT people,&#8221; but much of the time it really only means &#8220;gay male.&#8221;  By continually subsuming lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people into the category of &#8220;gay man,&#8221; The Advocate effectively invisibilizes those of us who are not gay men (or at least, their uninspired stereotypical versions of gay men).</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason D,

I don&#039;t know why, but a couple of your posts were caught in the spam filter along with one or two other commenters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason D,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why, but a couple of your posts were caught in the spam filter along with one or two other commenters.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so am I being blocked or what?  I posted two different versions of a reply to Emily and neither have posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so am I being blocked or what?  I posted two different versions of a reply to Emily and neither have posted.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s all well and good, Rex Harley, but the issue here isn&#039;t a debate about sexual freedom. It&#039;s about the impact an article, however satirical, can have on a vulnerable minority by using stereotypes to drive home its humor. Nobody cares what you do in your consensual relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all well and good, Rex Harley, but the issue here isn&#8217;t a debate about sexual freedom. It&#8217;s about the impact an article, however satirical, can have on a vulnerable minority by using stereotypes to drive home its humor. Nobody cares what you do in your consensual relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also not pleased to hear the author of the article interviewed on NPR&#039;s &quot;All Things Considered&quot; this week. I just thought &quot;gee, do you really need to air this laundry on public radio?&quot; To mix metaphors, it occurred to me that the author was giving extra ammo to conservatives. I am not being self-hating, and I don&#039;t mean to judge folks who enjoy public sex and sex with multiple partners--it&#039;s not my place to judge. But is &quot;cruising areas&quot; really the most useful variable to include in a study by an &quot;intrepid amateur sociologist?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also not pleased to hear the author of the article interviewed on NPR&#8217;s &#8220;All Things Considered&#8221; this week. I just thought &#8220;gee, do you really need to air this laundry on public radio?&#8221; To mix metaphors, it occurred to me that the author was giving extra ammo to conservatives. I am not being self-hating, and I don&#8217;t mean to judge folks who enjoy public sex and sex with multiple partners&#8211;it&#8217;s not my place to judge. But is &#8220;cruising areas&#8221; really the most useful variable to include in a study by an &#8220;intrepid amateur sociologist?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Harley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Harley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in sexual freedom.

I never read the article, but wasn&#039;t fond of the way Timothy seemed to disparage people who enjoy a more promiscuous lifestyle. Granted, people believe stereotypes about a connection between being gay and promiscuity that is unfounded. In fact it is just as much a part of the social culture for straight people. But one of the distinguishing characteristics of being gay is enjoying gay sex. I don&#039;t want to be asked to give up gay sex (the way I like it) so that I can be presentable to straight society. I would like to continue to fight for sexual freedom for gay and straight men and women.

My partner of nine years had sex with me at a party before I ever knew his name. We have an long-term and open relationship and we&#039;re very happy with that. If there were safe cruising spots near home, I&#039;d be visiting them from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in sexual freedom.</p>
<p>I never read the article, but wasn&#8217;t fond of the way Timothy seemed to disparage people who enjoy a more promiscuous lifestyle. Granted, people believe stereotypes about a connection between being gay and promiscuity that is unfounded. In fact it is just as much a part of the social culture for straight people. But one of the distinguishing characteristics of being gay is enjoying gay sex. I don&#8217;t want to be asked to give up gay sex (the way I like it) so that I can be presentable to straight society. I would like to continue to fight for sexual freedom for gay and straight men and women.</p>
<p>My partner of nine years had sex with me at a party before I ever knew his name. We have an long-term and open relationship and we&#8217;re very happy with that. If there were safe cruising spots near home, I&#8217;d be visiting them from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim:

I am so glad you realize that we should combat stereotypes about gay people, not embrace them and allow them to define us.

Therefore, I hope you will join the growing number of gay men and lesbians who are questioning the logic of identifying &quot;gay and lesbian&quot; with &quot;transgender&quot;, a term which covers transsexualism and cross-dressing and which describes a population that is overwhelmingly heterosexual.  Gay men have fought against the lie that they are not &quot;real men&quot; or that they constitute a &quot;third sex&quot;.  That struggle is completely undermined by the false creation known as &quot;LGBT&quot;.   If you are going to take the Advocate to task for embracing stereotypes, you should consider how unthinkingly this blog does the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim:</p>
<p>I am so glad you realize that we should combat stereotypes about gay people, not embrace them and allow them to define us.</p>
<p>Therefore, I hope you will join the growing number of gay men and lesbians who are questioning the logic of identifying &#8220;gay and lesbian&#8221; with &#8220;transgender&#8221;, a term which covers transsexualism and cross-dressing and which describes a population that is overwhelmingly heterosexual.  Gay men have fought against the lie that they are not &#8220;real men&#8221; or that they constitute a &#8220;third sex&#8221;.  That struggle is completely undermined by the false creation known as &#8220;LGBT&#8221;.   If you are going to take the Advocate to task for embracing stereotypes, you should consider how unthinkingly this blog does the same.</p>
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