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		<title>By: Lefty Kevin in UK</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty Kevin in UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, sounds an awful and authoritarian system you have. I expect you have those &quot;death panels&quot; - you know, the committees that tell people they can&#039;t get any more help so they have to die.

Surely a health system is intended to maintain the health of the whole community? Don&#039;t you see how that protects everyone and is cheaper in the long run?

You can&#039;t just intend the poor to die - can you?

What a country - call yourselves Christian? There&#039;s a laugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, sounds an awful and authoritarian system you have. I expect you have those &#8220;death panels&#8221; &#8211; you know, the committees that tell people they can&#8217;t get any more help so they have to die.</p>
<p>Surely a health system is intended to maintain the health of the whole community? Don&#8217;t you see how that protects everyone and is cheaper in the long run?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t just intend the poor to die &#8211; can you?</p>
<p>What a country &#8211; call yourselves Christian? There&#8217;s a laugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, you write:

&quot;I am, by nature, favorable to capitalism.&quot; 

I would question the assumption that having a favorable opinion on capitalism is an inborn trait (that is, &quot;by nature&quot;). I say this not to split hairs, but to suggest that maybe you prefer capitalism because it&#039;s what you&#039;re familiar with and have been taught to believe is best, supplemented by some observations made throughout your life.

I would also like to point out that Aetna is a corporation, and that its main obligation is to its shareholders. It was created to make money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, you write:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am, by nature, favorable to capitalism.&#8221; </p>
<p>I would question the assumption that having a favorable opinion on capitalism is an inborn trait (that is, &#8220;by nature&#8221;). I say this not to split hairs, but to suggest that maybe you prefer capitalism because it&#8217;s what you&#8217;re familiar with and have been taught to believe is best, supplemented by some observations made throughout your life.</p>
<p>I would also like to point out that Aetna is a corporation, and that its main obligation is to its shareholders. It was created to make money.</p>
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		<title>By: paul j stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul j stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After filing for hearings for 9 months,4 hearing,4 episodes of lost paperwork, the hearing officer was going to rule in my favor for a $410 pain med prescription i had paid for 9 months earlier. Her BOSS overruled her with the phrase &quot;IF WE DO IT FOR HIM WE WILL HAVE  TO DO IT FOR ALL OF HIS CLASS OF PATIENTS&quot;. Ohio MEDICAID managed care system. Now starting next month they are going back to the previous system I was filing hearings to force them to get back onto. Too damn many steps(persons) between the patient and the meds and the costs were going higher and higher. Simple is better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After filing for hearings for 9 months,4 hearing,4 episodes of lost paperwork, the hearing officer was going to rule in my favor for a $410 pain med prescription i had paid for 9 months earlier. Her BOSS overruled her with the phrase &#8220;IF WE DO IT FOR HIM WE WILL HAVE  TO DO IT FOR ALL OF HIS CLASS OF PATIENTS&#8221;. Ohio MEDICAID managed care system. Now starting next month they are going back to the previous system I was filing hearings to force them to get back onto. Too damn many steps(persons) between the patient and the meds and the costs were going higher and higher. Simple is better!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CLS said, &quot;Bad as that is wait until you have to ask government bureaucrats for care.&quot; 

I have been chauffeuring my elderly mother around for her medical care for years. She is 91 now and recently went into a nursing home.

With GOVERNMENT Medicare and supplemental Medigap insurance, there have been absolutely no problems at all. None. And the nursing home is a state GOVERNMENT owned/run facility with over 700 residents, and the care is excellent. It&#039;s so good that many people choose to go there on a private-pay basis because the care is superior to many private nursing homes.

But there was one problem she had a number of years ago -  it involved insurance companies. She had been on Medicaid in addition to Medicare, but when her financial situation improved and she no longer qualified for Medicaid, Blue Cross and others refused to sell her a Medigap policy. Only AARP/United HealthCare would sell her a policy.

I turned 65 last year which means I am now on GOVERNMENT Medicare. There are few things wonderful about getting old, but Medicare is one of them. I&#039;m self-employed and I&#039;m relieved to be finished with the private insurance quagmire. Of course, I do have private Medigap insurance to cover the 20% that Medicare does not, but that is an area that the private companies manage to do well (thanks to GOVERNMENT regulation).

I should note that my mother and I have traditional Medicare (as I believe most people do), not one of the Medicare &quot;Advantage&quot; plans that were created by Republicans during the Bush years. Anyone younger than 65 that likes their private HMO will absolutely love an &quot;Advantage&quot; plan when they turn 65. The &quot;Advantage&quot; plan option turns Medicare coverage over to private companies so you can enjoy all the advertising deception and subsequent intimidation, stonewalling, and exploitation of vulnerable people that you enjoyed with your HMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLS said, &#8220;Bad as that is wait until you have to ask government bureaucrats for care.&#8221; </p>
<p>I have been chauffeuring my elderly mother around for her medical care for years. She is 91 now and recently went into a nursing home.</p>
<p>With GOVERNMENT Medicare and supplemental Medigap insurance, there have been absolutely no problems at all. None. And the nursing home is a state GOVERNMENT owned/run facility with over 700 residents, and the care is excellent. It&#8217;s so good that many people choose to go there on a private-pay basis because the care is superior to many private nursing homes.</p>
<p>But there was one problem she had a number of years ago &#8211;  it involved insurance companies. She had been on Medicaid in addition to Medicare, but when her financial situation improved and she no longer qualified for Medicaid, Blue Cross and others refused to sell her a Medigap policy. Only AARP/United HealthCare would sell her a policy.</p>
<p>I turned 65 last year which means I am now on GOVERNMENT Medicare. There are few things wonderful about getting old, but Medicare is one of them. I&#8217;m self-employed and I&#8217;m relieved to be finished with the private insurance quagmire. Of course, I do have private Medigap insurance to cover the 20% that Medicare does not, but that is an area that the private companies manage to do well (thanks to GOVERNMENT regulation).</p>
<p>I should note that my mother and I have traditional Medicare (as I believe most people do), not one of the Medicare &#8220;Advantage&#8221; plans that were created by Republicans during the Bush years. Anyone younger than 65 that likes their private HMO will absolutely love an &#8220;Advantage&#8221; plan when they turn 65. The &#8220;Advantage&#8221; plan option turns Medicare coverage over to private companies so you can enjoy all the advertising deception and subsequent intimidation, stonewalling, and exploitation of vulnerable people that you enjoyed with your HMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Mathis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Mathis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CLS, you need to check your facts. Canadians have longer life spans, lower infant mortality, shorter wait times to see doctors, specialists and surgeons.

Competing across state lines is what has ruined credit cards, because every state competes for the company&#039;s business by killing taxes and regulations. This would in affect create yet another race to the bottom as all insurance companies move to the state with the least regulations and taxes.

The better question is why is anyone at all concerned with the businesses that got us in this mess? They make money by NOT providing care. It&#039;s a ridiculous business model that should be kept away from essential services such as healthcare. These are blood sucking leeches that are funneling money into the top .1% at the expense of millions of Americans and should be dismantled and scattered in the wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLS, you need to check your facts. Canadians have longer life spans, lower infant mortality, shorter wait times to see doctors, specialists and surgeons.</p>
<p>Competing across state lines is what has ruined credit cards, because every state competes for the company&#8217;s business by killing taxes and regulations. This would in affect create yet another race to the bottom as all insurance companies move to the state with the least regulations and taxes.</p>
<p>The better question is why is anyone at all concerned with the businesses that got us in this mess? They make money by NOT providing care. It&#8217;s a ridiculous business model that should be kept away from essential services such as healthcare. These are blood sucking leeches that are funneling money into the top .1% at the expense of millions of Americans and should be dismantled and scattered in the wind.</p>
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		<title>By: CLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad as that is wait until you have to ask government bureaucrats for care. One person above gets it very right. You are not the client. When govt. regulated health care they pushed it into the employers hands, not your hands. So you don&#039;t matter. Health care needs to return to the individual. It needs to be made tax deductible for each individual, not just for employers. And, it is time to end cartels in each state by legalizing competition across state lines. And, contrary to the amazement of Canadians, studies of treatment rates do show that Americans, with all the flaws of state regulation here, have HIGHER treatment rates for the diseases studied than do Canadians for the same illness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad as that is wait until you have to ask government bureaucrats for care. One person above gets it very right. You are not the client. When govt. regulated health care they pushed it into the employers hands, not your hands. So you don&#8217;t matter. Health care needs to return to the individual. It needs to be made tax deductible for each individual, not just for employers. And, it is time to end cartels in each state by legalizing competition across state lines. And, contrary to the amazement of Canadians, studies of treatment rates do show that Americans, with all the flaws of state regulation here, have HIGHER treatment rates for the diseases studied than do Canadians for the same illness.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Mathis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Mathis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still boggled that someone could write, &quot;Insurance company arrogance is one big reason people are unhappy about healthcare&quot;. It&#039;s possibly number 50 on the list of problems, if even that high. People having no coverage, insufficient coverage, being hassled non stop when in a time of sickness or poor health, not having coverage for a spouse or child or parent, longer wait times for General Practitioners, specialists, and surgery, all of these are real problems Americans face that I&#039;m sure cause a great deal more unhappiness than just the arrogance the insurance companies show to their captive customers. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s irritating, but the people dying in the gutter for lack of healthcare are probably just a smidgen more irritated.

As an American moved to Europe, I&#039;m so glad that even though I&#039;m in good health now while I&#039;m young, I never have to worry about healthcare costs for myself or my legally married husband for our entire lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still boggled that someone could write, &#8220;Insurance company arrogance is one big reason people are unhappy about healthcare&#8221;. It&#8217;s possibly number 50 on the list of problems, if even that high. People having no coverage, insufficient coverage, being hassled non stop when in a time of sickness or poor health, not having coverage for a spouse or child or parent, longer wait times for General Practitioners, specialists, and surgery, all of these are real problems Americans face that I&#8217;m sure cause a great deal more unhappiness than just the arrogance the insurance companies show to their captive customers. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s irritating, but the people dying in the gutter for lack of healthcare are probably just a smidgen more irritated.</p>
<p>As an American moved to Europe, I&#8217;m so glad that even though I&#8217;m in good health now while I&#8217;m young, I never have to worry about healthcare costs for myself or my legally married husband for our entire lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my little story. It is very minor compared to others, but I think it demonstrates the systematic intimidation, stonewalling, and exploitation of vulnerable people that has become the modus operandi for insurance companies. I must concede, however, that my story provides no actual proof of this.

After an accident in 2004 that required a titanium plate fastened with ten screws in my arm, I began a period of out-patient rehab three times a week. My Blue Cross plan covered 30 sessions per year with a $40 co-pay for each one.

After about twelve rehab visits I received a written notice from BC stating &quot;The maximum benefit for this type of service has been reached.&quot; I called BC and the person agreed that there was an error and that I was indeed entitled to thirty visits.

Two weeks later I received another notice. I called BC again, and the person again acknowledged the error.

Then after another three weeks - you guessed it. Similar conversation with BC, but this time the phone person made me feel really confident that the matter would be corrected. I felt relieved. But it was not to be.

Then there was a fourth notice and later a fifth notice. I just ignored them, and after that, they never bothered me about it again. And I did utilize 29 of my 30 visits.

I cannot believe that BC could be this incompetent, and thus I believe it is harassment that is actually designed to intimidate, stonewall, and exploit vulnerable people into not using the services to which they are entitled. And I don&#039;t think the phone people are in on the scam - I think they genuinely tried to correct what they knew was an error.

As the anecdotal evidence against the insurance companies continues to mount, it is rapidly becoming a mountain of compelling evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my little story. It is very minor compared to others, but I think it demonstrates the systematic intimidation, stonewalling, and exploitation of vulnerable people that has become the modus operandi for insurance companies. I must concede, however, that my story provides no actual proof of this.</p>
<p>After an accident in 2004 that required a titanium plate fastened with ten screws in my arm, I began a period of out-patient rehab three times a week. My Blue Cross plan covered 30 sessions per year with a $40 co-pay for each one.</p>
<p>After about twelve rehab visits I received a written notice from BC stating &#8220;The maximum benefit for this type of service has been reached.&#8221; I called BC and the person agreed that there was an error and that I was indeed entitled to thirty visits.</p>
<p>Two weeks later I received another notice. I called BC again, and the person again acknowledged the error.</p>
<p>Then after another three weeks &#8211; you guessed it. Similar conversation with BC, but this time the phone person made me feel really confident that the matter would be corrected. I felt relieved. But it was not to be.</p>
<p>Then there was a fourth notice and later a fifth notice. I just ignored them, and after that, they never bothered me about it again. And I did utilize 29 of my 30 visits.</p>
<p>I cannot believe that BC could be this incompetent, and thus I believe it is harassment that is actually designed to intimidate, stonewall, and exploit vulnerable people into not using the services to which they are entitled. And I don&#8217;t think the phone people are in on the scam &#8211; I think they genuinely tried to correct what they knew was an error.</p>
<p>As the anecdotal evidence against the insurance companies continues to mount, it is rapidly becoming a mountain of compelling evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: ZRAinSWVA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZRAinSWVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grantdale, agreed, and I&#039;m ready to move!

And, no, I neglected to include the &#039;self-employment tax (medicare and social security), which topped $7500 last year. (sigh)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grantdale, agreed, and I&#8217;m ready to move!</p>
<p>And, no, I neglected to include the &#8216;self-employment tax (medicare and social security), which topped $7500 last year. (sigh)</p>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZRAinSWVA

Just by rough comparison, the &lt;b&gt;TWO&lt;/b&gt; of us -- Medicare levy on both our incomes + proportion of taxes to cover the tax gap + our own choice to take out private insurance to remove/reduce co-pays ... is roughly even with what your husband pays for &lt;b&gt;himself&lt;/b&gt;. Plus he also pays a proportion of taxes to cover your own (distorted) &#039;public&#039; schemes. And he still has co-pays.

(We have no deductions for children etc and get whacked the full amount in tax.)

And a 12%+ increase per year as well, for the privilege of being a  captured customer???

Just to rub it in... for our money we not only get get comprehensive cover, and low and limited out-of-pocket costs, but we also get the bizarre pleasure of knowing that all our fellow citizens are covered by a good universal scheme.

Half the price per head for better total lifelong universal health cover...

Let me off at the next stop. I&#039;ve heard enough.

You good people are being raped blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZRAinSWVA</p>
<p>Just by rough comparison, the <b>TWO</b> of us &#8212; Medicare levy on both our incomes + proportion of taxes to cover the tax gap + our own choice to take out private insurance to remove/reduce co-pays &#8230; is roughly even with what your husband pays for <b>himself</b>. Plus he also pays a proportion of taxes to cover your own (distorted) &#8216;public&#8217; schemes. And he still has co-pays.</p>
<p>(We have no deductions for children etc and get whacked the full amount in tax.)</p>
<p>And a 12%+ increase per year as well, for the privilege of being a  captured customer???</p>
<p>Just to rub it in&#8230; for our money we not only get get comprehensive cover, and low and limited out-of-pocket costs, but we also get the bizarre pleasure of knowing that all our fellow citizens are covered by a good universal scheme.</p>
<p>Half the price per head for better total lifelong universal health cover&#8230;</p>
<p>Let me off at the next stop. I&#8217;ve heard enough.</p>
<p>You good people are being raped blind.</p>
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