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	<title>Comments on: Ugandan Lawmaker Would Kill His Own Gay Son</title>
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		<title>By: Rich Reist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Reist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The series of articles in Xtra on Uganda have been very illuminating and have shown me how extremely brave so many LGBT Ugandans are simply being out of the closest and advocating for their rights. I found their courage inspiring especially considering my own struggles with coming out in the safety of Canada and can only imagine how much more difficult it is for them, their courage really is amazing, here&#039;s a link to the latest Xtra article in which a community activist encourages others to stay in the closet for their own safety at this time yet many are still out   http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Xtra_reports_from_Uganda_Gay_leader_urges_queers_to_stay_in_the_closet-8307.aspx   If this bill does go through I hope our western nations open the doors wide to LGBT refugees fleeing the country but I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if many decided to stay to fight on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The series of articles in Xtra on Uganda have been very illuminating and have shown me how extremely brave so many LGBT Ugandans are simply being out of the closest and advocating for their rights. I found their courage inspiring especially considering my own struggles with coming out in the safety of Canada and can only imagine how much more difficult it is for them, their courage really is amazing, here&#8217;s a link to the latest Xtra article in which a community activist encourages others to stay in the closet for their own safety at this time yet many are still out   <a href="http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Xtra_reports_from_Uganda_Gay_leader_urges_queers_to_stay_in_the_closet-8307.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Xtra_reports_from_Uganda_Gay_leader_urges_queers_to_stay_in_the_closet-8307.aspx</a>   If this bill does go through I hope our western nations open the doors wide to LGBT refugees fleeing the country but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if many decided to stay to fight on.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to ask Odonga: If you suddenly had an epiphany* where you realised that you were gay, would you turn yourself in to the authorities? Or would you spare the taxpayer expense of prosecution, and take care of the final solution yourself? Would you kill your son, but not yourself for being gay?

*This is not unrealistic. I&#039;ve known people who insist that they did not discover their gayness until later in life. And after that discovery I&#039;d say they were not bisexual, because they never returned to hetero functioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to ask Odonga: If you suddenly had an epiphany* where you realised that you were gay, would you turn yourself in to the authorities? Or would you spare the taxpayer expense of prosecution, and take care of the final solution yourself? Would you kill your son, but not yourself for being gay?</p>
<p>*This is not unrealistic. I&#8217;ve known people who insist that they did not discover their gayness until later in life. And after that discovery I&#8217;d say they were not bisexual, because they never returned to hetero functioning.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update GUg. The Xtra article didn&#039;t mention Val&#039;s remarks. I wish they had. She is a remarkable and brave woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update GUg. The Xtra article didn&#8217;t mention Val&#8217;s remarks. I wish they had. She is a remarkable and brave woman.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/02/19/20459/comment-page-1#comment-62668</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t have to go as far as Uganda. I can&#039;t help but remember that tiny little three year old, Paris boy who was beaten to death by his own father because his father thought the child might be gay.

   How many underage children were turned out by their parents only to have their lives threatened in the streets and those same parents NEVER prosecuted for child abandonment or endangerment? In so many ways it&#039;s the law enforcement establishment allowing such an illegal outrage because of tacit approval of abusing gay children.

     And because I mentor gay youth, especially those at risk, I know how many kids were beaten, young lesbians raped or threatened with it.
  There is more of an undercurrent of a similar attitude as in Uganda, of parents preferring a dead gay child to a living one.

    Unspeakable I know. But we&#039;re speaking about it now, and that makes all the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t have to go as far as Uganda. I can&#8217;t help but remember that tiny little three year old, Paris boy who was beaten to death by his own father because his father thought the child might be gay.</p>
<p>   How many underage children were turned out by their parents only to have their lives threatened in the streets and those same parents NEVER prosecuted for child abandonment or endangerment? In so many ways it&#8217;s the law enforcement establishment allowing such an illegal outrage because of tacit approval of abusing gay children.</p>
<p>     And because I mentor gay youth, especially those at risk, I know how many kids were beaten, young lesbians raped or threatened with it.<br />
  There is more of an undercurrent of a similar attitude as in Uganda, of parents preferring a dead gay child to a living one.</p>
<p>    Unspeakable I know. But we&#8217;re speaking about it now, and that makes all the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: gayuganda</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/02/19/20459/comment-page-1#comment-62648</link>
		<dc:creator>gayuganda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

For the defence of Ugandan homosexuals, we actually did speak.

Val Kalende gave a very powerful speech, on which Odonga Otto commented that if it was not for the bill, we would not be coming out of the closet.

As for Odonga Otto, Mutua eviscerated him very, very nicely. When a master is doing the job, we less equal mortals just stand back and watch the dissection. And, it was indeed worth watching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>For the defence of Ugandan homosexuals, we actually did speak.</p>
<p>Val Kalende gave a very powerful speech, on which Odonga Otto commented that if it was not for the bill, we would not be coming out of the closet.</p>
<p>As for Odonga Otto, Mutua eviscerated him very, very nicely. When a master is doing the job, we less equal mortals just stand back and watch the dissection. And, it was indeed worth watching!</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/02/19/20459/comment-page-1#comment-62646</link>
		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They understand that this law isn’t really about gay people at all. It was concieved to be used against opponents of the Ugandan dictator.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This has been clear for some time now. Which is why it is all the more important for the international community to maintain the pressure it is applying to keep such a weapon from becoming operational.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If they value their jobs, homes and liberty, they will fall into line regardless of what Museveni decides.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And the people of Uganda need to keep in mind that such tyrants do not stop with one out-group, but will persist until they themselves are destroyed by their tyranny along with all of those appeasers that played into the game of being pitted one against another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They understand that this law isn’t really about gay people at all. It was concieved to be used against opponents of the Ugandan dictator.</p></blockquote>
<p>This has been clear for some time now. Which is why it is all the more important for the international community to maintain the pressure it is applying to keep such a weapon from becoming operational.</p>
<blockquote><p>If they value their jobs, homes and liberty, they will fall into line regardless of what Museveni decides.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the people of Uganda need to keep in mind that such tyrants do not stop with one out-group, but will persist until they themselves are destroyed by their tyranny along with all of those appeasers that played into the game of being pitted one against another.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/02/19/20459/comment-page-1#comment-62640</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugandans weren&#039;t willing to publicly defend or oppose this legislation.  These people understand this law and what it means better than any foreigner.  They understand that this law isn&#039;t really about gay people at all.  It was concieved to be used against opponents of the Ugandan dictator.  

None of them are really sure what is going to happen to this law now that it has become an international headache for the regime.  It is all up to Museveni, since he is the dictator.  There is no reason for them to stick their neck out one way or the other until it is totally clear what Museveni is going to do. If they value their jobs, homes and liberty, they will fall into line regardless of what Museveni decides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugandans weren&#8217;t willing to publicly defend or oppose this legislation.  These people understand this law and what it means better than any foreigner.  They understand that this law isn&#8217;t really about gay people at all.  It was concieved to be used against opponents of the Ugandan dictator.  </p>
<p>None of them are really sure what is going to happen to this law now that it has become an international headache for the regime.  It is all up to Museveni, since he is the dictator.  There is no reason for them to stick their neck out one way or the other until it is totally clear what Museveni is going to do. If they value their jobs, homes and liberty, they will fall into line regardless of what Museveni decides.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/02/19/20459/comment-page-1#comment-62628</link>
		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Would you apply to be a hangman if the person to be hanged were your son?”

When Odonga nodded yes, Mutua said, “There is something deeply wrong with you.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Obviously, there are a lot of people in Uganda—and elsewhere in Africa—that have something &quot;deeply wrong&quot; with themselves. Clearly Makai Mutua has that part right along with:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;People who express extremist views are, in my view, always the ones who have read the least.”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Would you apply to be a hangman if the person to be hanged were your son?”</p>
<p>When Odonga nodded yes, Mutua said, “There is something deeply wrong with you.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Obviously, there are a lot of people in Uganda—and elsewhere in Africa—that have something &#8220;deeply wrong&#8221; with themselves. Clearly Makai Mutua has that part right along with:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;People who express extremist views are, in my view, always the ones who have read the least.”
</p></blockquote>
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