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	<title>Comments on: NOM latches onto &#8220;Miss Beverly Hills&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Not Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the city of Beverly Hills says she is a fraud and disavows any connection with her, the L.A. Times reports:

 &quot;In a statement Wednesday, the city said it was shocked by Ashley&#039;s description of herself as &#039;Miss Beverly Hills.&#039; The city &#039;does not sponsor a beauty pageant and has no association with Miss California USA,&#039; the statement said.

&quot;...As such, there should be no individual claiming the title of Miss Beverly Hills.&#039; The city&#039;s statement said Ashley lives in Pasadena and &#039;does not represent Beverly Hills in any capacity...&quot;

Our forefather&#039;s anticipated her and her ilk:

&quot;Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise&quot;. James Madison&quot;

&quot;Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.&quot;  -Thomas Jefferson

Now we await her next FOX show visit wherein the host will surely be asking her if her parents follow the Bible&#039;s law ordering them to sell their [fraudulent beauty queen] daughter into slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the city of Beverly Hills says she is a fraud and disavows any connection with her, the L.A. Times reports:</p>
<p> &#8220;In a statement Wednesday, the city said it was shocked by Ashley&#8217;s description of herself as &#8216;Miss Beverly Hills.&#8217; The city &#8216;does not sponsor a beauty pageant and has no association with Miss California USA,&#8217; the statement said.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;As such, there should be no individual claiming the title of Miss Beverly Hills.&#8217; The city&#8217;s statement said Ashley lives in Pasadena and &#8216;does not represent Beverly Hills in any capacity&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Our forefather&#8217;s anticipated her and her ilk:</p>
<p>&#8220;Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise&#8221;. James Madison&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.&#8221;  -Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>Now we await her next FOX show visit wherein the host will surely be asking her if her parents follow the Bible&#8217;s law ordering them to sell their [fraudulent beauty queen] daughter into slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if it wants to get by corporate filters, yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if it wants to get by corporate filters, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: werdna</title>
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		<dc:creator>werdna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does &quot;masturbate&quot; really need to be censored?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does &#8220;masturbate&#8221; really need to be censored?</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Joel McHale of &quot;The Soup,&quot; Carrie Prejean made not 1 but 8 sex tapes. And as Joel said: &quot;Fool me once, shame on you. M********* on camera 8 times, you&#039;re a &lt;i&gt;porn star&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;

[censored so it wouldn&#039;t get caught in filters.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Joel McHale of &#8220;The Soup,&#8221; Carrie Prejean made not 1 but 8 sex tapes. And as Joel said: &#8220;Fool me once, shame on you. M********* on camera 8 times, you&#8217;re a <i>porn star</i>.&#8221;</p>
<p>[censored so it wouldn't get caught in filters.]</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If something similar comes out with this woman, NOM will probably start insinuating that she&#039;s part of a gay plot to discredit them. They have no trouble holding in head the conception of gay people as mindlessly driven by sex and as frighteningly cunning long-term planners.
BTW, I have to say that hearing Prejean&#039;s ideas on sex made me marginally respect her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If something similar comes out with this woman, NOM will probably start insinuating that she&#8217;s part of a gay plot to discredit them. They have no trouble holding in head the conception of gay people as mindlessly driven by sex and as frighteningly cunning long-term planners.<br />
BTW, I have to say that hearing Prejean&#8217;s ideas on sex made me marginally respect her.</p>
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		<title>By: Frijondi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frijondi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie et al assume we hate them, because they really do hate us.  (By we, I mean supporters of marriage equality.) They&#039;re mistaken, but that mistake hasn&#039;t exactly hurt their campaign so far -- it&#039;s helped to mobilize a lot of antigays.  

We, in turn, have mostly assumed a certain level of rationality on the other side, and treated this like an honest difference of opinion rather than the full frontal assault on our humanity that it really is.  That has hurt us a great deal.

A lot of commenters on pro-gay blogs seem confident that we&#039;re on the brink of a major demographic shift, one that will tip the scales in favor of marriage equality.  I hope so, but I&#039;m not convinced. Fundamentalist religion has gotten awfully good at packaging itself in a way that appeals to the under-thirty crowd, and to a wider range of ethnic groups than in the past.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s wise to discount 36%, 39%, or 45% any age cohort -- even if those percentages are a little off, that&#039;s still a lot of people.  Not a majority, but enough to swing an election when other voters stay home, and enough to commit a lot of violent acts.  Instead of assuming the kids are all right, I say we keep an eye on them.

(Speaking of which, what were Lauren Ashley&#039;s parents thinking??!? That latest picture is just so...inappropriate.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie et al assume we hate them, because they really do hate us.  (By we, I mean supporters of marriage equality.) They&#8217;re mistaken, but that mistake hasn&#8217;t exactly hurt their campaign so far &#8212; it&#8217;s helped to mobilize a lot of antigays.  </p>
<p>We, in turn, have mostly assumed a certain level of rationality on the other side, and treated this like an honest difference of opinion rather than the full frontal assault on our humanity that it really is.  That has hurt us a great deal.</p>
<p>A lot of commenters on pro-gay blogs seem confident that we&#8217;re on the brink of a major demographic shift, one that will tip the scales in favor of marriage equality.  I hope so, but I&#8217;m not convinced. Fundamentalist religion has gotten awfully good at packaging itself in a way that appeals to the under-thirty crowd, and to a wider range of ethnic groups than in the past.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s wise to discount 36%, 39%, or 45% any age cohort &#8212; even if those percentages are a little off, that&#8217;s still a lot of people.  Not a majority, but enough to swing an election when other voters stay home, and enough to commit a lot of violent acts.  Instead of assuming the kids are all right, I say we keep an eye on them.</p>
<p>(Speaking of which, what were Lauren Ashley&#8217;s parents thinking??!? That latest picture is just so&#8230;inappropriate.)</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what this little delusional, attention-starved girl has out of the closet: the belief that gay people should be put to death.

I find myself wondering how deep Maggie&#039;s homophobia really goes. I mean, from the appointment of Orson Scott Card to NOM&#039;s board to her courting of Ashley, she appears not to have any trouble associating herself with some pretty extreme homophobes, despite the great umbrage she takes to accusations of anti-gay bigotry on her own part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what this little delusional, attention-starved girl has out of the closet: the belief that gay people should be put to death.</p>
<p>I find myself wondering how deep Maggie&#8217;s homophobia really goes. I mean, from the appointment of Orson Scott Card to NOM&#8217;s board to her courting of Ashley, she appears not to have any trouble associating herself with some pretty extreme homophobes, despite the great umbrage she takes to accusations of anti-gay bigotry on her own part.</p>
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		<title>By: JFE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JFE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough,  Maggie only mentions the gay marriage portion of it.  She&#039;s silent on the fact that Ashley (or Lauren?) insinuates that having gay sex pretty much sentences you to death.  But Maggie probably believes that too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough,  Maggie only mentions the gay marriage portion of it.  She&#8217;s silent on the fact that Ashley (or Lauren?) insinuates that having gay sex pretty much sentences you to death.  But Maggie probably believes that too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jcrr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jcrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,
The Gay and Lesbian Task Force&#039;s poll showed 45% of those between 18-29 years old voted Yes on 8. No idea if that&#039;s the poll Gallagher is referring to. Other polls have showed higher support for marriage equality among that group, so it&#039;s entirely possible to be due to the margin of error. Anyway, here&#039;s the link to that poll: http://www.ncsu.edu/stud_affairs/glbt/pdfs/Prop%208%20Report.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,<br />
The Gay and Lesbian Task Force&#8217;s poll showed 45% of those between 18-29 years old voted Yes on 8. No idea if that&#8217;s the poll Gallagher is referring to. Other polls have showed higher support for marriage equality among that group, so it&#8217;s entirely possible to be due to the margin of error. Anyway, here&#8217;s the link to that poll: <a href="http://www.ncsu.edu/stud_affairs/glbt/pdfs/Prop%208%20Report.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncsu.edu/stud_affairs/glbt/pdfs/Prop%208%20Report.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nevada Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nevada Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who knows what this little delusional attention-starved girl has in her closet?&quot;

And it&#039;s always something, especially if the standard your being held to includes an ancient book of harsh and conflicting parables.

Perhaps two times will be the charm for Maggie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who knows what this little delusional attention-starved girl has in her closet?&#8221;</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s always something, especially if the standard your being held to includes an ancient book of harsh and conflicting parables.</p>
<p>Perhaps two times will be the charm for Maggie?</p>
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