And neither have ANY of the OTHER founders, past presdidents, board members or current leaders in the 30+ years since I left. I am the only one so far — so you’re the one sounding self-righteous, right now, JoeBro.

In case he really wants to do what he says he “would love more than anything” to do, he could START by contacting Rachel Maddow. I think she might give him the chance.

http://www.facebook.com/therachelmaddowshow

Isn’t that how you did it?

Even if they are of the mind that gay people deserve civil and human rights (that’s supposed to go WITHOUT SAYING), but the existence of avowed ex gays cancels out sincerity and example.

You can’t defend what you don’t accept for YOURSELF. It’s a contradiction in terms and therefore neutralizes influence on what are the most strongly held beliefs regarding homosexuality.

It’s one of the world’s if not THE world’s longest hatreds. And the longest EXPECTATION is that gay people can, should, must change if they are to even live, let alone live free.

Chambers, et al…have been playing with dangerous forces, while avoiding risks. There are none so unworthy of trust, than someone who refuses to understand the risks involved, while at the same time maintaining as safe a distance as possible from the consequences of what they do.

And ex gay person, very much by default, would be difficult, if not impossible to trust. ESPECIALLY those engaged in political action against gays and lesbians in areas fertile for catching uncontrollable fire.

Ex gay status, is of itself a part of a de facto holocaust. A manner of making gay people disappear and not exist. To engage in furthering that long time agenda, isn’t a sincere wish to bring more gay people to Jesus and Christianity, but seemingly the more civilized way in achieving the same goal.
And in believing in that civilized form of a final solution to the ‘being gay problem’, Chambers and co can believe themselves absolved from participating in bringing harm to gays and lesbians anywhere and everywhere.

I’ve tried, many times, to tell the ex gays who will engage in a conversation that they create their own weakness to defend their position OR that of gay people because nearly every challenge to equality and freedom for gay people has been contingent on arguing that gay people can change.
That is the deal breaker on nearly every level of law making or interpretation, the issue of choosing to be gay ALWAYS comes up.

So the stakes in which ex gays have ENTITLED themselves to referee, leave gay people with the burden of having to argue and argue over their legitimate existence, let alone the freedom to MAINTAIN it.

And it’s this burden of proof, laid at the feet of gay people that ex gays are responsible for and refuse to own.

They don’t own any of the consequences of what they do because to be ex gay on the level WE know ex gays, you’d have to be a weak PERSON to begin with.
There is no courage in avoiding life AS a gay person. It’s an indicator that you couldn’t CUT it as a gay person. It’s a matter of trading that CONDITION, for STATUS.
Living heterosexually, or EXSEXUALLY, brings one status and support with no challenges that being gay does.
It’s unburdening yourself of your lack of character and making gay people carry it FOR you instead and pay a heavy price you’re unwilling to share, if even acknowledge.

I’m not a gay person, I don’t know if what I’m saying is articulated well or not or if you all understand me.

But I’ve been through phases where I hated being a woman, or black because of the abuses and prejudice and so on I’m confronted with because of it. Sometimes even because I’m not religious. So ‘unwanted’ aspects that pertain to my characteristics, can be laid at the feet of social standards that are impossible and cruel.

I’ve known plenty of blacks who have developed strange emotional problems and reject other black people and if they had the power to, would work in socio/political ways against anything that would advance black integration.

So what ex gays are trying to reject and not involve themselves with, happens to OTHER minorities too.

I suppose that’s why I empathize with gays and lesbians so much, and know EXACTLY what ex gays like Alan Chambers are doing.
There is absolutely NOTHING strong, or compassionate about him. But everything self serving and self righteous.
I expect NOTHING of influence WHERE IT MATTERS to come from ANY ex gay person. They might as well not bother, because their credibility to do anything that would help and support gay people NEVER EXISTED.

There is no point in waiting for them to do what’s right. They don’t have the stuff it takes in them in the first place.

Then NOTHING for months and months — just the sounds of crickets chirping. Now he says he would “love nothing better” than to express Exodus’s “disdain” and to “apologize.” There are lots of other microphones available if he and the Board of Exodus were serious about this.

Now he is playing victim — that “we would really like to but ABC News won’t let us.” Why doesn’t he call Rachel Maddow and ask for the chance — if he truly would “love nothing better”? Exodus can sure find the ways and means to express itself when it really wants to.

I know, we could have an online telethon.
I’ll contribute.