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	<title>Comments on: Exodus International Issues Statement Condemning Ugandan Anti-Gay Bill</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The leaders of Exodus are all talk and no action when it comes to Uganda.

First, there was Randy&#039;s comment last year about how he would go to Uganda and personally plead for gay people&#039;s release from prison &quot;if he only had the opportunity.&quot;  Guess what, Randy -- you do have the opportunity.  If Exodus can send you to London so that you can attend an ex-gay conference and then see a West End show, then they can send you to Uganda.  It&#039;s really that simple.  

And now we have Alan Chambers saying that he&#039;d love nothing more than to officially apologize for Exodus&#039; involvement in the Ugandan anti-gay conference &quot;if he only had the opportunity.&quot;  Alan is the PRESIDENT of a massive organization, and yet acts as though he has to wait around for a call from Diane Sawyer!  If he truly wanted to make an apology, you&#039;d think he would at the very least write something on his blog.  But unfortunately, the last time he posted anything there was to promote his book.  Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The leaders of Exodus are all talk and no action when it comes to Uganda.</p>
<p>First, there was Randy&#8217;s comment last year about how he would go to Uganda and personally plead for gay people&#8217;s release from prison &#8220;if he only had the opportunity.&#8221;  Guess what, Randy &#8212; you do have the opportunity.  If Exodus can send you to London so that you can attend an ex-gay conference and then see a West End show, then they can send you to Uganda.  It&#8217;s really that simple.  </p>
<p>And now we have Alan Chambers saying that he&#8217;d love nothing more than to officially apologize for Exodus&#8217; involvement in the Ugandan anti-gay conference &#8220;if he only had the opportunity.&#8221;  Alan is the PRESIDENT of a massive organization, and yet acts as though he has to wait around for a call from Diane Sawyer!  If he truly wanted to make an apology, you&#8217;d think he would at the very least write something on his blog.  But unfortunately, the last time he posted anything there was to promote his book.  Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul in Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Mahatma Gandhi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”<br />
Mahatma Gandhi</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read this crap from Exodus, and then re-read The German Pope&#039;s message to the Irish.

&quot; I hope that I NEVER have a spiritual awakening that leaves me void of any care or concern about the physical well being of people who I consider today to be my friends. I hope I NEVER find my religious faith to be so inwardly focused that I cannon condemn evil without caveats and judgment of the people being mistreated.

In other words, if “walking away from a homosexual lifestyle and pursuing an identity in Christ” requires me to stop being a decent person, I have no need or desire for that journey. I’d rather be moral than straight.&quot;

True words, Timothy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read this crap from Exodus, and then re-read The German Pope&#8217;s message to the Irish.</p>
<p>&#8221; I hope that I NEVER have a spiritual awakening that leaves me void of any care or concern about the physical well being of people who I consider today to be my friends. I hope I NEVER find my religious faith to be so inwardly focused that I cannon condemn evil without caveats and judgment of the people being mistreated.</p>
<p>In other words, if “walking away from a homosexual lifestyle and pursuing an identity in Christ” requires me to stop being a decent person, I have no need or desire for that journey. I’d rather be moral than straight.&#8221;</p>
<p>True words, Timothy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with every word of this article from TWO, by Michael Airhart.

http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7710/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with every word of this article from TWO, by Michael Airhart.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7710/" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7710/</a></p>
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		<title>By: anteros</title>
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		<dc:creator>anteros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hoped, but didn&#039;t expect better. 

not sure if this qualifies as &quot;better than nothing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hoped, but didn&#8217;t expect better. </p>
<p>not sure if this qualifies as &#8220;better than nothing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at Exodus and their affiliates as businesses wanting to maintain a constant flow of customers, they depend on societies avoiding the extremes of positive/negative attitudes toward homosexuality.

If a society becomes completely accepting of gays, Exodus becomes obsolete.

But if a society becomes too oppressive toward gays, the potential customers are afraid to talk to anyone, including Exodus. So Exodus needs to walk a middle ground.

I think penguinsaur and Stefano A both said essentially the same thing, but arrived there in a different way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at Exodus and their affiliates as businesses wanting to maintain a constant flow of customers, they depend on societies avoiding the extremes of positive/negative attitudes toward homosexuality.</p>
<p>If a society becomes completely accepting of gays, Exodus becomes obsolete.</p>
<p>But if a society becomes too oppressive toward gays, the potential customers are afraid to talk to anyone, including Exodus. So Exodus needs to walk a middle ground.</p>
<p>I think penguinsaur and Stefano A both said essentially the same thing, but arrived there in a different way.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In re-reading this statement, I keep coming back to one thing: this statement is focused inwardly.

It says nothing whatsoever about gay Ugandans.  In fact, it doesn&#039;t address gay people.

This is, instead, a statement about those who:

* remain committed to sharing ... Jesus Christ

* the Christian church

* church and ministry leaders

* hurting men, women, and children who... seek help

* those who personally struggled with same-sex attractions... but found a new identity

As for gay people, Exodus frankly couldn&#039;t care less about them.  Read it carefully; other than a vague &quot;deprive of life and dignity&quot; statement, there is not a single word about gay people.

I am saddened that Exodus has become so callous.  &lt;b&gt;I hope that I NEVER have a spiritual awakening that leaves me void of any care or concern about the physical well being of people who I consider today to be my friends.  I hope I NEVER find my religious faith to be so inwardly focused that I cannon condemn evil without caveats and judgment of the people being mistreated.&lt;/b&gt;

In other words, if &quot;walking away from a homosexual lifestyle and pursuing an identity in Christ&quot; requires me to stop being a decent person, I have no need or desire for that journey.  I&#039;d rather be moral than straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In re-reading this statement, I keep coming back to one thing: this statement is focused inwardly.</p>
<p>It says nothing whatsoever about gay Ugandans.  In fact, it doesn&#8217;t address gay people.</p>
<p>This is, instead, a statement about those who:</p>
<p>* remain committed to sharing &#8230; Jesus Christ</p>
<p>* the Christian church</p>
<p>* church and ministry leaders</p>
<p>* hurting men, women, and children who&#8230; seek help</p>
<p>* those who personally struggled with same-sex attractions&#8230; but found a new identity</p>
<p>As for gay people, Exodus frankly couldn&#8217;t care less about them.  Read it carefully; other than a vague &#8220;deprive of life and dignity&#8221; statement, there is not a single word about gay people.</p>
<p>I am saddened that Exodus has become so callous.  <b>I hope that I NEVER have a spiritual awakening that leaves me void of any care or concern about the physical well being of people who I consider today to be my friends.  I hope I NEVER find my religious faith to be so inwardly focused that I cannon condemn evil without caveats and judgment of the people being mistreated.</b></p>
<p>In other words, if &#8220;walking away from a homosexual lifestyle and pursuing an identity in Christ&#8221; requires me to stop being a decent person, I have no need or desire for that journey.  I&#8217;d rather be moral than straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoeBro. Randy owes me nothing.  He owes Uaganda something.  I started a little bible-study of about 20 guys for messed up gay christians at a church in Anaheim. 

We hosted a gathering of other prayer groups.  That&#039;s it.  I did not create Exodus. We thought God would bless us with &quot;straightness&quot;.  What the hell did we know?  

There was no political intent, agenda or involvement.  Just a small bunch of Jesus Freaks in our early twenties giving our testimonies and praying God would take the gay away.  

It was naive of us to think so.  I take no credit for what Exodus did or became once I left.  They did that entirely on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoeBro. Randy owes me nothing.  He owes Uaganda something.  I started a little bible-study of about 20 guys for messed up gay christians at a church in Anaheim. </p>
<p>We hosted a gathering of other prayer groups.  That&#8217;s it.  I did not create Exodus. We thought God would bless us with &#8220;straightness&#8221;.  What the hell did we know?  </p>
<p>There was no political intent, agenda or involvement.  Just a small bunch of Jesus Freaks in our early twenties giving our testimonies and praying God would take the gay away.  </p>
<p>It was naive of us to think so.  I take no credit for what Exodus did or became once I left.  They did that entirely on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Frijondi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frijondi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Rick Warren was able to say unequivocally that he opposes the criminalization of homosexuality.  He also kept his statement clear and brief, and did not use it as an opportunity to toot his own horn.  

Warren&#039;s not exactly known for his modesty, and yet he realized that this is not all about him.  If he could stop gazing at his own navel long enough to condemn the bill without dithering, hemming and hawing, and wringing his hands about his ministry, so can the Exodus crew -- even at this very late date.

I&#039;ll even help draft it for them:

&quot;We, the undersigned, oppose the passage of Uganda&#039;s Anti-Homosexuality Bill.  We also oppose the criminalization of homosexuality and homosexual acts.&quot;

There now.  Wasn&#039;t that easy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Rick Warren was able to say unequivocally that he opposes the criminalization of homosexuality.  He also kept his statement clear and brief, and did not use it as an opportunity to toot his own horn.  </p>
<p>Warren&#8217;s not exactly known for his modesty, and yet he realized that this is not all about him.  If he could stop gazing at his own navel long enough to condemn the bill without dithering, hemming and hawing, and wringing his hands about his ministry, so can the Exodus crew &#8212; even at this very late date.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll even help draft it for them:</p>
<p>&#8220;We, the undersigned, oppose the passage of Uganda&#8217;s Anti-Homosexuality Bill.  We also oppose the criminalization of homosexuality and homosexual acts.&#8221;</p>
<p>There now.  Wasn&#8217;t that easy?</p>
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		<title>By: JoeBro</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeBro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you really owe it to Michael to answer his questions, since after all, you have him to thank for Exodus&#039; existence and your meal ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you really owe it to Michael to answer his questions, since after all, you have him to thank for Exodus&#8217; existence and your meal ticket.</p>
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