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	<title>Comments on: Did Gen. Sheehan Really &#8220;Climb Down&#8221; From Blaming Gay Soldiers for the Srebrenica Massacre?</title>
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		<title>By: General sorry for remarks on gays in Dutch military : DC Agenda.com</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/30/21523/comment-page-1#comment-65646</link>
		<dc:creator>General sorry for remarks on gays in Dutch military : DC Agenda.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 04:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] means Sheehan has apologized for his testimony, but Jim Burroway, editor of Box Turtle Bulletin, questioned whether the general is in fact retracting his statement. This is a climbdown from Sheehan’s placing blame on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] means Sheehan has apologized for his testimony, but Jim Burroway, editor of Box Turtle Bulletin, questioned whether the general is in fact retracting his statement. This is a climbdown from Sheehan’s placing blame on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/30/21523/comment-page-1#comment-65630</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a climb down since the issue in dispute wasn&#039;t Sheehan&#039;s views, but rather whether there was a Dutch source that agreed with Sheehan.  Sheehan said there was and now he admits that that statement was inaccurate.  

So what we are left with is an opinion by Sheehan which he initially supported solely with a second hand account of a remark made to him 15 years ago, which he now admits he misremembered.  I hope Sen. Levin makes the record reflect that this is the quality of evidence adduced in support of the policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a climb down since the issue in dispute wasn&#8217;t Sheehan&#8217;s views, but rather whether there was a Dutch source that agreed with Sheehan.  Sheehan said there was and now he admits that that statement was inaccurate.  </p>
<p>So what we are left with is an opinion by Sheehan which he initially supported solely with a second hand account of a remark made to him 15 years ago, which he now admits he misremembered.  I hope Sen. Levin makes the record reflect that this is the quality of evidence adduced in support of the policy.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/30/21523/comment-page-1#comment-65611</link>
		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big question is whether or not Senator Levin will recall General Sheehan to clarify his statement before the Senate Armed Services Committee?  THAT is the only place where his clarification will have ANY weight.  He needs to specifically address HIS opinions and why, in the absence of any report from the Dutch, he still holds such negative opinions of openly gay soldiers and their service.

Everyone should contact Senator Levin&#039;s office and demand that the General be recalled to clarify his testimony.

This is shaping up to be better than the Elaine Donnerly testimony, for OUR side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big question is whether or not Senator Levin will recall General Sheehan to clarify his statement before the Senate Armed Services Committee?  THAT is the only place where his clarification will have ANY weight.  He needs to specifically address HIS opinions and why, in the absence of any report from the Dutch, he still holds such negative opinions of openly gay soldiers and their service.</p>
<p>Everyone should contact Senator Levin&#8217;s office and demand that the General be recalled to clarify his testimony.</p>
<p>This is shaping up to be better than the Elaine Donnerly testimony, for OUR side.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/30/21523/comment-page-1#comment-65608</link>
		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you BTB for once again being the lone voice of sanity in the gay blog wilderness.

I&#039;ve been on countless other sites railing about their misleading and inaccurate reporting on this issue.  Many of them have headlines that say that the general apologized for blaming the massacre on gay soldiers when he didn&#039;t really do that at all.  He apologized for &quot;giving the impression&quot; that he was blaming INDIVIDUAL soldiers but he didn&#039;t say that he didn&#039;t think that the Dutch policy and gay soldiers as a whole were the problems.  He also apologized for misstating the OTHER generals opinion.  He never said, knowing now that what he believed to be the opinion of the Dutch general was false that he had changed his OWN mind about the cause of the tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you BTB for once again being the lone voice of sanity in the gay blog wilderness.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been on countless other sites railing about their misleading and inaccurate reporting on this issue.  Many of them have headlines that say that the general apologized for blaming the massacre on gay soldiers when he didn&#8217;t really do that at all.  He apologized for &#8220;giving the impression&#8221; that he was blaming INDIVIDUAL soldiers but he didn&#8217;t say that he didn&#8217;t think that the Dutch policy and gay soldiers as a whole were the problems.  He also apologized for misstating the OTHER generals opinion.  He never said, knowing now that what he believed to be the opinion of the Dutch general was false that he had changed his OWN mind about the cause of the tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/30/21523/comment-page-1#comment-65603</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So while media outlets and DADT repeal advocates may celebrate over this climb-down...&quot;

Really? So you think the media&#039;s on your side? Huh. Ya don&#039;t say. 

I&#039;d been watching the media coverage of this issue, and I hadn&#039;t noticed the slightest bit of media bias on this issue.

Note: Media Outlets and DADT repeal advocates are synonomous. Mentioning them both in the same sentence is redundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So while media outlets and DADT repeal advocates may celebrate over this climb-down&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? So you think the media&#8217;s on your side? Huh. Ya don&#8217;t say. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d been watching the media coverage of this issue, and I hadn&#8217;t noticed the slightest bit of media bias on this issue.</p>
<p>Note: Media Outlets and DADT repeal advocates are synonomous. Mentioning them both in the same sentence is redundant.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Ditto</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/30/21523/comment-page-1#comment-65602</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any shift in his position whatsoever. I watched the hearing live and didn&#039;t get the impression that he thought individual gay soldiers were the problem, but that the Dutch military had been corrupted by liberalism including allowing gays in the military.

Of course as Senator Levin pointed out, the Dutch military suffered from a failure of training (peacekeeping/policing versus war fighting) that has absolutely nothing to do with gays in the military.

It was Sheehan&#039;s failure (and others) at NATO to assign the Dutch, with full knowledge of their competencies, with confusing rules of engagement, to such a task.

Simply speaking, you don&#039;t give the responsibility to a nurse to rebuild a jet engine any more than you&#039;d tell a jet mechanic to handle someone&#039;e medical care. Sheehan and the rest of NATO never should have sent a bunch of cops to fight an insurgency.

Sheehan is trying to rewrite history on the backs of gay people to save his legacy. That&#039;s pretty warped, and his perspective should be viewed through that lens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any shift in his position whatsoever. I watched the hearing live and didn&#8217;t get the impression that he thought individual gay soldiers were the problem, but that the Dutch military had been corrupted by liberalism including allowing gays in the military.</p>
<p>Of course as Senator Levin pointed out, the Dutch military suffered from a failure of training (peacekeeping/policing versus war fighting) that has absolutely nothing to do with gays in the military.</p>
<p>It was Sheehan&#8217;s failure (and others) at NATO to assign the Dutch, with full knowledge of their competencies, with confusing rules of engagement, to such a task.</p>
<p>Simply speaking, you don&#8217;t give the responsibility to a nurse to rebuild a jet engine any more than you&#8217;d tell a jet mechanic to handle someone&#8217;e medical care. Sheehan and the rest of NATO never should have sent a bunch of cops to fight an insurgency.</p>
<p>Sheehan is trying to rewrite history on the backs of gay people to save his legacy. That&#8217;s pretty warped, and his perspective should be viewed through that lens.</p>
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		<title>By: Willem van Oranje</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/30/21523/comment-page-1#comment-65600</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem van Oranje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand why you read that phrase this way. I also don&#039;t think Sheehan has changed his position on gltb to serve openly in the army one bit.

However, the conclusion of the Dutch inquiries into the fall and the massacre of Srebrenica and what NATO and the Dutch did wrong was indeed attributed to ‘the rules of engagement [...] with conflicting priorities and an ambivalent understanding of how to use the military’.

The problem was that the politicians in NATO countries believed they would only need peace keeping forces to protect and police the safe areas in Bosnia. That&#039;s why the Dutch were allowed to bring only light artillery to the area, not heavy artillery. If things would go wrong, there would be air support, but in the case of Srebrenica, that never came, despite repeated calls from the Dutch. 

There were other errors made, both on the ground, in the chain of command, and with relation to NATO.
But the basic error was the believe that peacekeepers would be enough, instead of peace enforcers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand why you read that phrase this way. I also don&#8217;t think Sheehan has changed his position on gltb to serve openly in the army one bit.</p>
<p>However, the conclusion of the Dutch inquiries into the fall and the massacre of Srebrenica and what NATO and the Dutch did wrong was indeed attributed to ‘the rules of engagement [...] with conflicting priorities and an ambivalent understanding of how to use the military’.</p>
<p>The problem was that the politicians in NATO countries believed they would only need peace keeping forces to protect and police the safe areas in Bosnia. That&#8217;s why the Dutch were allowed to bring only light artillery to the area, not heavy artillery. If things would go wrong, there would be air support, but in the case of Srebrenica, that never came, despite repeated calls from the Dutch. </p>
<p>There were other errors made, both on the ground, in the chain of command, and with relation to NATO.<br />
But the basic error was the believe that peacekeepers would be enough, instead of peace enforcers.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/30/21523/comment-page-1#comment-65599</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was more than being &quot;blatanly misleading&quot;. By the Dutch report, it was an outright damn lie; and, if Sheehan made his testimony  under oath, this should be grounds for filing charges of perjury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was more than being &#8220;blatanly misleading&#8221;. By the Dutch report, it was an outright damn lie; and, if Sheehan made his testimony  under oath, this should be grounds for filing charges of perjury.</p>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/30/21523/comment-page-1#comment-65598</link>
		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and soooo Sheehan lies to Congress and then apologizes to the DTUCH General?  

What about an apology to Congress? and to the American People??

This was blatanly misleading and he needs to set the the record straight Over Here, in America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and soooo Sheehan lies to Congress and then apologizes to the DTUCH General?  </p>
<p>What about an apology to Congress? and to the American People??</p>
<p>This was blatanly misleading and he needs to set the the record straight Over Here, in America!</p>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/30/21523/comment-page-1#comment-65596</link>
		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheehan: Just your typical lyeing Conservative testifying before Congress.

They cannot win with the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheehan: Just your typical lyeing Conservative testifying before Congress.</p>
<p>They cannot win with the truth.</p>
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