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	<title>Comments on: Conservative Christians &#8220;with a heart for the homosexual&#8221; still don&#8217;t get it</title>
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		<title>By: Lou Engle &#8211; A Jezebel Generation &#124; Stop IHOP Cult</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Engle &#8211; A Jezebel Generation &#124; Stop IHOP Cult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A person can make a solid effort to stop lying or cheating and be largely successful. But as Timothy Kincaid said in a piece several months ago, once those people conquer their sins, I’ll still wake up in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A person can make a solid effort to stop lying or cheating and be largely successful. But as Timothy Kincaid said in a piece several months ago, once those people conquer their sins, I’ll still wake up in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 23:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I mean, let’s face it, if you end up contracting HIV, it’s probably because you made a bad choice and didn’t use protection.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Or you were the victim of rape and didn&#039;t have a choice.

But I understand your line of reasoning - because everyone who has ever gotten sick deserved it, right?

So why bother wasting valuable tax dollars researching cures for any disease, because, after all, everyone that got sick made a bad choice, and they just got what they deserve, right? 

By your reasoning, everyone who has ever gotten cancer made a bad choice and &quot;reaped&quot; what they &quot;sowed&quot;, right?

Imagine the money we could save if we stopped wasting it looking for cures for breast cancer, or prostate cancer, or leukemia.

Or does your logic only extend to HIV - because only gay people get AIDS, right?

All those women in Africa who contract HIV by rape, they&#039;re just making it up. Or did they just made a bad choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I mean, let’s face it, if you end up contracting HIV, it’s probably because you made a bad choice and didn’t use protection.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or you were the victim of rape and didn&#8217;t have a choice.</p>
<p>But I understand your line of reasoning &#8211; because everyone who has ever gotten sick deserved it, right?</p>
<p>So why bother wasting valuable tax dollars researching cures for any disease, because, after all, everyone that got sick made a bad choice, and they just got what they deserve, right? </p>
<p>By your reasoning, everyone who has ever gotten cancer made a bad choice and &#8220;reaped&#8221; what they &#8220;sowed&#8221;, right?</p>
<p>Imagine the money we could save if we stopped wasting it looking for cures for breast cancer, or prostate cancer, or leukemia.</p>
<p>Or does your logic only extend to HIV &#8211; because only gay people get AIDS, right?</p>
<p>All those women in Africa who contract HIV by rape, they&#8217;re just making it up. Or did they just made a bad choice?</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 20:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I mean, let’s face it, if you end up contracting HIV, it’s probably because you made a bad choice and didn’t use protection.&lt;/i&gt;

Or you used protection and it failed for some reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I mean, let’s face it, if you end up contracting HIV, it’s probably because you made a bad choice and didn’t use protection.</i></p>
<p>Or you used protection and it failed for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/02/21575/comment-page-3#comment-94584</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 19:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony,

That&#039;s an interesting assertion.  I assume the &quot;reap&quot; part is HIV, but what is the &quot;sow&quot;?

You seem to suggest that &quot;sowing&quot; unprotected sex has consequences.  But that is not what this site means by &quot;sowing&quot;.  

When they say &quot;reap what you sow&quot; they include &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; homosexuality, to any extent that it is sexual, with or without protection, between committed partners or promiscuously.

This is a false equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting assertion.  I assume the &#8220;reap&#8221; part is HIV, but what is the &#8220;sow&#8221;?</p>
<p>You seem to suggest that &#8220;sowing&#8221; unprotected sex has consequences.  But that is not what this site means by &#8220;sowing&#8221;.  </p>
<p>When they say &#8220;reap what you sow&#8221; they include <i>all</i> homosexuality, to any extent that it is sexual, with or without protection, between committed partners or promiscuously.</p>
<p>This is a false equation.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 01:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know. Even if you don&#039;t agree with everything the website had to say, I mean, let&#039;s face it, if you end up contracting HIV, it&#039;s probably because you made a bad choice and didn&#039;t use protection. Outside of a bad blood transfusion or a cheating spouse, yeah, you reap what you sow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. Even if you don&#8217;t agree with everything the website had to say, I mean, let&#8217;s face it, if you end up contracting HIV, it&#8217;s probably because you made a bad choice and didn&#8217;t use protection. Outside of a bad blood transfusion or a cheating spouse, yeah, you reap what you sow.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 02:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow typo, i meant did it already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow typo, i meant did it already.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 02:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tim, while I was thinking it over later, I was like, hmm, well, I didn&#039;t it already and I would really like to meet this person. Sorry you live in LA, my brother lives in San Fran. Maybe you will run into him someday. Thanks for the wish of peace! If I ever get out that way maybe I can look YOU up..:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tim, while I was thinking it over later, I was like, hmm, well, I didn&#8217;t it already and I would really like to meet this person. Sorry you live in LA, my brother lives in San Fran. Maybe you will run into him someday. Thanks for the wish of peace! If I ever get out that way maybe I can look YOU up..:)</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 23:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I&#039;ve deleted your address from your comment (it&#039;s not wise to post your address on the internet).  And while I thank you for the invitation, I live in Los Angeles and will not be taking you up on your offer.  

I wish you peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve deleted your address from your comment (it&#8217;s not wise to post your address on the internet).  And while I thank you for the invitation, I live in Los Angeles and will not be taking you up on your offer.  </p>
<p>I wish you peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 23:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the litmus test Tim. My address is ********. Come on over and talk with me learn about me, before you judge me.  I was making a point about what is right, by the bible, and what is wrong.  I am no perfect person by a long shot, but I do my best.  Nothing you said &quot;hit home&quot;.  I am 46 years old and have gone over most of the decisions I have ever made the mistakes the and the lessons I have learned.  I know myself, how I treat my brother and show him respect and love, nothing more.  He didn&#039;t even want me to meet my nephew for fear that I would contaminate him with my Italian coodies.  My mother told me that herself.  My father abused my brother, he was Italian and he never got over it.  We both look like my father, and we could at a glance pass as different sized twins.  He will never see that because it would mean he would have to accept some painful things.  He chose am egg doner who was Nordic to be as sure as he could that his kid wouldn&#039;t look Italian.  It failed.  That all aside. I have nothing but love for him.  He suffered alot.  I call him wish him happy whatever and wait on him.  You my friend are an angry bigoted person for foisterimg your stereotype on me.  Once again Tim you have my address, I am hoping you live in NY and can make it over sometime.  Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the litmus test Tim. My address is ********. Come on over and talk with me learn about me, before you judge me.  I was making a point about what is right, by the bible, and what is wrong.  I am no perfect person by a long shot, but I do my best.  Nothing you said &#8220;hit home&#8221;.  I am 46 years old and have gone over most of the decisions I have ever made the mistakes the and the lessons I have learned.  I know myself, how I treat my brother and show him respect and love, nothing more.  He didn&#8217;t even want me to meet my nephew for fear that I would contaminate him with my Italian coodies.  My mother told me that herself.  My father abused my brother, he was Italian and he never got over it.  We both look like my father, and we could at a glance pass as different sized twins.  He will never see that because it would mean he would have to accept some painful things.  He chose am egg doner who was Nordic to be as sure as he could that his kid wouldn&#8217;t look Italian.  It failed.  That all aside. I have nothing but love for him.  He suffered alot.  I call him wish him happy whatever and wait on him.  You my friend are an angry bigoted person for foisterimg your stereotype on me.  Once again Tim you have my address, I am hoping you live in NY and can make it over sometime.  Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 19:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

You came here with a message: that gay people should &quot;do the same&quot; as you and lay aside and forsake things based on what your religion says.

I addressed that assertion.  And I pointed out some things that really hit home, didn&#039;t I?

In response, well, let&#039;s just say than &quot;angry incoherent rant&quot; best describes your response.  In order not to read what I told you, you have had to tell yourself that it&#039;s all anger and name-calling.

That&#039;s your decision.  You can go on down that road.  

But if you have any interest whatsoever in knowing your brother - instead of being totally fake and leaving him with &quot;NO IDEA how you feel&quot; (but believe me, he knows) - then you need to put down your excuses, let go of your self-righteousness, and try to hear what I’m telling you.

Otherwise you are going to continue to find yourself drawn to situations where you can try to pick fights with gay people to make some sense of your own inner conflict.  You didn&#039;t come here by accident or post your comment out of disinterest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>You came here with a message: that gay people should &#8220;do the same&#8221; as you and lay aside and forsake things based on what your religion says.</p>
<p>I addressed that assertion.  And I pointed out some things that really hit home, didn&#8217;t I?</p>
<p>In response, well, let&#8217;s just say than &#8220;angry incoherent rant&#8221; best describes your response.  In order not to read what I told you, you have had to tell yourself that it&#8217;s all anger and name-calling.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s your decision.  You can go on down that road.  </p>
<p>But if you have any interest whatsoever in knowing your brother &#8211; instead of being totally fake and leaving him with &#8220;NO IDEA how you feel&#8221; (but believe me, he knows) &#8211; then you need to put down your excuses, let go of your self-righteousness, and try to hear what I’m telling you.</p>
<p>Otherwise you are going to continue to find yourself drawn to situations where you can try to pick fights with gay people to make some sense of your own inner conflict.  You didn&#8217;t come here by accident or post your comment out of disinterest.</p>
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