Comments on: The race for eighth (and ninth and tenth) http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/14/21841 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Fri, 24 May 2013 11:45:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Luciano http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/14/21841/comment-page-1#comment-66843 Luciano Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:34:12 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=21841#comment-66843 Citizens of countries part of the EU can freely move and work in all of them (I'm not sure if there are limits for some of the last ones joining the Union). As an Italian I can go to live in France, Denmark or UK without problems. My wife, a Texan, will have to obtain the sojourn permit and being an extra-EU citizen she can have more or less problems depending on the country, even if being the wife of an EU citizen helps a lot. Luciano PS: Please forgive my English, it's not my first language Citizens of countries part of the EU can freely move and work in all of them (I’m not sure if there are limits for some of the last ones joining the Union).
As an Italian I can go to live in France, Denmark or UK without problems.
My wife, a Texan, will have to obtain the sojourn permit and being an extra-EU citizen she can have more or less problems depending on the country, even if being the wife of an EU citizen helps a lot.

Luciano

PS: Please forgive my English, it’s not my first language

]]> By: Chris http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/14/21841/comment-page-1#comment-66832 Chris Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:00:49 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=21841#comment-66832 @Francoise Considering the language and culture differences this is a bigger step than moving from Mississippi to Vermont. And I'm not sure you can live in any country as long as you want. Where did you find that? @Francoise

Considering the language and culture differences this is a bigger step than moving from Mississippi to Vermont. And I’m not sure you can live in any country as long as you want. Where did you find that?

]]> By: Francoise http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/14/21841/comment-page-1#comment-66702 Francoise Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:34:08 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=21841#comment-66702 Regarding the European candidates: A citizen of any EU country can legally live and work in any of the 27 EU member countries (without any special permit or procedure). It will be interesting to see, in the next decade or so, if gay couples migrate in large numbers to countries that allow them to marry. An alternative would be to appeal a case to the European Court of Human rights, whose decisions are binding on all EU member states. Regarding the European candidates: A citizen of any EU country can legally live and work in any of the 27 EU member countries (without any special permit or procedure).

It will be interesting to see, in the next decade or so, if gay couples migrate in large numbers to countries that allow them to marry.

An alternative would be to appeal a case to the European Court of Human rights, whose decisions are binding on all EU member states.

]]> By: Fred in the UK http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/14/21841/comment-page-1#comment-66674 Fred in the UK Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:48:41 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=21841#comment-66674 I think that the financial situation in Iceland could work both ways. On the one hand it isn't really a priority for the Icelandic government, however, on the other hand the politicians need to find ways to be seen improving the lives of Icelanders without spending money. I think that the financial situation in Iceland could work both ways. On the one hand it isn’t really a priority for the Icelandic government, however, on the other hand the politicians need to find ways to be seen improving the lives of Icelanders without spending money.

]]> By: TampaZeke http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/14/21841/comment-page-1#comment-66659 TampaZeke Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:06:13 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=21841#comment-66659 I'm glad to hear that Mark. I've been wondering about what ever happened to Denmark. After all, they were the FIRST country to legalize state recognized unions of same-sex couples. I just figured that gay Danes, like many gay people other countries in Europe with Civil Roommates laws, had settled in comfortably with their second class institution. I know that Denmark, probably more than any other country, considers all "marriages" civil unions, but still only the gay ones were not allowed to be called "marriages". It's good to hear that they are moving forward. It's odd that the international press has been so silent on this development. I still think Iceland will be Nepal to the punch. Iceland is in the final stages of passing marriage equality and has a lesbian Prime Minister is a strong advocate and figurehead. I've heard that gay should be marrying in Iceland by July. I don't think Nepal will get there by then. The reports I've heard have Nepal ratifying their new gay-inclusive, marriage equality supportive constitution later in the year, perhaps by autumn. I’m glad to hear that Mark. I’ve been wondering about what ever happened to Denmark. After all, they were the FIRST country to legalize state recognized unions of same-sex couples. I just figured that gay Danes, like many gay people other countries in Europe with Civil Roommates laws, had settled in comfortably with their second class institution. I know that Denmark, probably more than any other country, considers all “marriages” civil unions, but still only the gay ones were not allowed to be called “marriages”. It’s good to hear that they are moving forward. It’s odd that the international press has been so silent on this development.

I still think Iceland will be Nepal to the punch. Iceland is in the final stages of passing marriage equality and has a lesbian Prime Minister is a strong advocate and figurehead. I’ve heard that gay should be marrying in Iceland by July. I don’t think Nepal will get there by then. The reports I’ve heard have Nepal ratifying their new gay-inclusive, marriage equality supportive constitution later in the year, perhaps by autumn.

]]> By: Mark http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/14/21841/comment-page-1#comment-66654 Mark Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:24:55 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=21841#comment-66654 You should add Denmark to the list: the bill is going through Parliament at the moment. The Danish press is covering this extensively, but the overseas media doesn't seem to have picked up on it yet. You should add Denmark to the list: the bill is going through Parliament at the moment. The Danish press is covering this extensively, but the overseas media doesn’t seem to have picked up on it yet.

]]> By: tavdy79 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/14/21841/comment-page-1#comment-66625 tavdy79 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:27:46 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=21841#comment-66625 That Cyprus is even considering some form of recognition is remarkable - it is one of the most conservative states in the entire EU - no mean feat considering the competition! I think it will be Portugal, Nepal, Iceland, Luxembourg. Even if Cavaco Silva vetoes, the Assembly of the Republic will almost definitely override his veto within a matter of days, perhaps hours. Also, there's considerable support for getting the law in place before Pope Ratty's visit, which is (I think) early May. In Iceland it's simply a matter of getting the work done, but there's a lot to go through and the financial crisis means that marriage equality is not a top priority just now, which will delay the process. That the Althing is committed to a change in the law at some point from late June onwards, rather than any earlier, tells me that late June is the earliest they think they can get it done. By contrast, we know that Nepalese law will almost definitely be changed about a month earlier. So the race is between Nepal and Portugal, and my money is on the latter. That Cyprus is even considering some form of recognition is remarkable – it is one of the most conservative states in the entire EU – no mean feat considering the competition!

I think it will be Portugal, Nepal, Iceland, Luxembourg. Even if Cavaco Silva vetoes, the Assembly of the Republic will almost definitely override his veto within a matter of days, perhaps hours. Also, there’s considerable support for getting the law in place before Pope Ratty’s visit, which is (I think) early May.

In Iceland it’s simply a matter of getting the work done, but there’s a lot to go through and the financial crisis means that marriage equality is not a top priority just now, which will delay the process. That the Althing is committed to a change in the law at some point from late June onwards, rather than any earlier, tells me that late June is the earliest they think they can get it done. By contrast, we know that Nepalese law will almost definitely be changed about a month earlier. So the race is between Nepal and Portugal, and my money is on the latter.

]]> By: TampaZeke http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/14/21841/comment-page-1#comment-66615 TampaZeke Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:08:12 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=21841#comment-66615 I put my money on Portugal, Iceland, Nepal being 8th, 9th and 10th. Beyond that it's anyone's guess. I put my money on Portugal, Iceland, Nepal being 8th, 9th and 10th.

Beyond that it’s anyone’s guess.

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