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	<title>Comments on: American Evangelist To Rally Against Gays In Uganda</title>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that Engle&#039;s group, &quot;The Call&quot; is part of the Freedom Federation that includes major ex-gay proponents -  Exodus International, Focus on the Family, Liberty Counsel, and Liberty University.

Exodus - you claim to care about what happens in Uganda, yet you affiliate (and then disaffiliate, but only after you are called on it) with extremists.

Here&#039;s another opportunity you&#039;ll likely miss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget that Engle&#8217;s group, &#8220;The Call&#8221; is part of the Freedom Federation that includes major ex-gay proponents &#8211;  Exodus International, Focus on the Family, Liberty Counsel, and Liberty University.</p>
<p>Exodus &#8211; you claim to care about what happens in Uganda, yet you affiliate (and then disaffiliate, but only after you are called on it) with extremists.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another opportunity you&#8217;ll likely miss.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Paul, Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Paul, Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Engle has also said, “The most ‘dangerous terrorist’ is not Islam but God. One of God’s names is the avenger of blood. Have you worshiped that God yet?”&#039;

Good grief, can&#039;t the Ugandan Government prevent this madman, Lou Engle, from exploiting innocent citizens ($$$$$), and threatening others with death?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Engle has also said, “The most ‘dangerous terrorist’ is not Islam but God. One of God’s names is the avenger of blood. Have you worshiped that God yet?”&#8217;</p>
<p>Good grief, can&#8217;t the Ugandan Government prevent this madman, Lou Engle, from exploiting innocent citizens ($$$$$), and threatening others with death?</p>
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		<title>By: ----</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 08:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Evangelicals send people to all corners of the (third) world spreading their propaganda to the uninformed, why can&#039;t Rational people do the same? Let&#039;s have Dawkins or Hitchens make a conference to counteract the fanatics in Uganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Evangelicals send people to all corners of the (third) world spreading their propaganda to the uninformed, why can&#8217;t Rational people do the same? Let&#8217;s have Dawkins or Hitchens make a conference to counteract the fanatics in Uganda.</p>
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		<title>By: anteros</title>
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		<dc:creator>anteros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, when i read the old testament, i come to the conclusion that it&#039;s the biggest pile of ancient b.s. and that it&#039;s about time the whole world got over it and moved on. it belongs to museums and history departments. both the old and new testaments.

it looks like many ugandans interpret their bibles literally, and selectively. joseph kony wants uganda to be ruled according to the 10 commandments, and he cuts off limbs that cause his victims to sin - straight outta the bible. many ugandan pastors want gays persecuted and judged - straight outta the bible. and the doomsday cults like kibwetere&#039;s church that go crazy about &quot;the end times&quot; - straight outta the bible. not surprising for a country where kids are sacrificed and people live in fear of witches and homosexuals who they think are out to &quot;recruit&quot; their kids and destroy families... they learnt that from scott lively (the christian expert on homosexuality who claimed he knew more about this than anyone else) in last year&#039;s march conference in kampala. flew all the way from america to uganda, to personally deliver his &quot;nuclear bomb&quot; and promote his pink swastika book - a book full of b.s. - at least one ugandan pastor was filmed praising scott lively&#039;s pink swastika as having lots of data. the kill the gays bill followed.

lou engle should not be allowed to deliver another &quot;nuclear bomb&quot; ...too many people have suffered too much as a result of last year&#039;s anti-gay conference. so much work and effort has been put into mitigating the effects of that conference. a year later, they wanna do it all over again... but this time, spread the hate campaign over a week, sandwich it up with random stuff and disguise it as something other than an anti-gay crusade. 

cant happen. 

lou engle must be stopped, or at least spotlighted by the media into behaving more ethically sound than last year&#039;s american visitors to uganda.

from one of the links in the article, Dr. T L Osborn is also invited to uganda as a guest at one of the pentecostal events during may... he may need to know that he&#039;s being watched, not just by his ugandan audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, when i read the old testament, i come to the conclusion that it&#8217;s the biggest pile of ancient b.s. and that it&#8217;s about time the whole world got over it and moved on. it belongs to museums and history departments. both the old and new testaments.</p>
<p>it looks like many ugandans interpret their bibles literally, and selectively. joseph kony wants uganda to be ruled according to the 10 commandments, and he cuts off limbs that cause his victims to sin &#8211; straight outta the bible. many ugandan pastors want gays persecuted and judged &#8211; straight outta the bible. and the doomsday cults like kibwetere&#8217;s church that go crazy about &#8220;the end times&#8221; &#8211; straight outta the bible. not surprising for a country where kids are sacrificed and people live in fear of witches and homosexuals who they think are out to &#8220;recruit&#8221; their kids and destroy families&#8230; they learnt that from scott lively (the christian expert on homosexuality who claimed he knew more about this than anyone else) in last year&#8217;s march conference in kampala. flew all the way from america to uganda, to personally deliver his &#8220;nuclear bomb&#8221; and promote his pink swastika book &#8211; a book full of b.s. &#8211; at least one ugandan pastor was filmed praising scott lively&#8217;s pink swastika as having lots of data. the kill the gays bill followed.</p>
<p>lou engle should not be allowed to deliver another &#8220;nuclear bomb&#8221; &#8230;too many people have suffered too much as a result of last year&#8217;s anti-gay conference. so much work and effort has been put into mitigating the effects of that conference. a year later, they wanna do it all over again&#8230; but this time, spread the hate campaign over a week, sandwich it up with random stuff and disguise it as something other than an anti-gay crusade. </p>
<p>cant happen. </p>
<p>lou engle must be stopped, or at least spotlighted by the media into behaving more ethically sound than last year&#8217;s american visitors to uganda.</p>
<p>from one of the links in the article, Dr. T L Osborn is also invited to uganda as a guest at one of the pentecostal events during may&#8230; he may need to know that he&#8217;s being watched, not just by his ugandan audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 05:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those quotes were deranged, even by the standards of the Christian Right.  I do respect the fact that he acknowledges that the God of the Bible is a terrorist, i.e., someone who intentionally kills or maims civilians in order to achieve a policy objective.  You cannot read the Old Testament and come to any other conclusion.  It is just that when God does it, it is by definition righteous.

Accordingly, I don&#039;t think Engle views the Call as a &quot;reckless escalation.&quot;  It is an intentional and righteous escalation in the war for souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those quotes were deranged, even by the standards of the Christian Right.  I do respect the fact that he acknowledges that the God of the Bible is a terrorist, i.e., someone who intentionally kills or maims civilians in order to achieve a policy objective.  You cannot read the Old Testament and come to any other conclusion.  It is just that when God does it, it is by definition righteous.</p>
<p>Accordingly, I don&#8217;t think Engle views the Call as a &#8220;reckless escalation.&#8221;  It is an intentional and righteous escalation in the war for souls.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Barr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Barr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent an email to the NYTimes.  I also sent an email to Rachael Maddow.  Other ideas of what to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent an email to the NYTimes.  I also sent an email to Rachael Maddow.  Other ideas of what to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Frijondi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frijondi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... or go to the article, and click Gettleman&#039;s by-line if the link doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; or go to the article, and click Gettleman&#8217;s by-line if the link doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Frijondi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frijondi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can send an email to Jeffrey Gettleman, the reporter who wrote the New York Times article on the Exodus conference in Uganda, here:

http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html

The MSM needs to pick this story up, pronto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can send an email to Jeffrey Gettleman, the reporter who wrote the New York Times article on the Exodus conference in Uganda, here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html</a></p>
<p>The MSM needs to pick this story up, pronto.</p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Lord, here we go again... I&#039;ve been to those meetings.  EVERYBODY has demons, EVERYBODY needs demons cast out, and if you don&#039;t agree then you&#039;re a WITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!  And if you dont agree that you&#039;re a witch, then everybody should get together and kick your ass and run you out of town.  

Pentecostal evangelists know exactly how to work a crowd and get the people into an emotional/close to sexual frenzy to advance the agnda of the speaker.  I&#039;ve seen it done a thousand times, from small-church speakers to Benny Hinn.  Once the crowd is in an altered state, it&#039;s easy to plant an agenda into their minds, whether it is kill the witch or kill the queer or give me your best offering today.  And if you give enough, I might pray for your healing.

If you DON&#039;T go to them meeting, it is proof you&#039;re afraid of the power of the evangelist.  So you have to go.  And if you go and don&#039;t jump up and down or roll on thefloor or jump the pews, then you have demons.  And if you say you don&#039;t have demons, then you have POWERFUL demons.  And if you don&#039;t cooperate with the group activity of throwing you on the floor and pouring oil on you and kicking and slapping you while everyone screams in tongues, then you are coming against the evangelist because you&#039;re a witch.

This guyt knows he can use the &quot;queer/witch&quot; angle to bring a shitload of money back with him.  And trust me that he will never give a thought to the lives destroyed by his antics, but will instead sit back all smug, convinced he did God a service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Lord, here we go again&#8230; I&#8217;ve been to those meetings.  EVERYBODY has demons, EVERYBODY needs demons cast out, and if you don&#8217;t agree then you&#8217;re a WITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!  And if you dont agree that you&#8217;re a witch, then everybody should get together and kick your ass and run you out of town.  </p>
<p>Pentecostal evangelists know exactly how to work a crowd and get the people into an emotional/close to sexual frenzy to advance the agnda of the speaker.  I&#8217;ve seen it done a thousand times, from small-church speakers to Benny Hinn.  Once the crowd is in an altered state, it&#8217;s easy to plant an agenda into their minds, whether it is kill the witch or kill the queer or give me your best offering today.  And if you give enough, I might pray for your healing.</p>
<p>If you DON&#8217;T go to them meeting, it is proof you&#8217;re afraid of the power of the evangelist.  So you have to go.  And if you go and don&#8217;t jump up and down or roll on thefloor or jump the pews, then you have demons.  And if you say you don&#8217;t have demons, then you have POWERFUL demons.  And if you don&#8217;t cooperate with the group activity of throwing you on the floor and pouring oil on you and kicking and slapping you while everyone screams in tongues, then you are coming against the evangelist because you&#8217;re a witch.</p>
<p>This guyt knows he can use the &#8220;queer/witch&#8221; angle to bring a shitload of money back with him.  And trust me that he will never give a thought to the lives destroyed by his antics, but will instead sit back all smug, convinced he did God a service.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad his name couldn&#039;t somehow appear on the &#039;no fly&#039; list - he is a terrorist of sorts, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad his name couldn&#8217;t somehow appear on the &#8216;no fly&#8217; list &#8211; he is a terrorist of sorts, after all.</p>
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