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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s &#8220;repeal DADT this year&#8221; pledge now seems disingenuous</title>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems disingenuous?

Like Naggie, Rick lardbut, and a host of others, i&#039;m sure he has lots of &quot;gay friends&quot; whom he loves...

in  very disingenuous fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems disingenuous?</p>
<p>Like Naggie, Rick lardbut, and a host of others, i&#8217;m sure he has lots of &#8220;gay friends&#8221; whom he loves&#8230;</p>
<p>in  very disingenuous fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*

Even as I watched the President, on TV, say those words; &quot;This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are&quot;, I was clearly seeing how he spoke like a typical politician. He was not saying that he would work to get DADT *repealed* this year. No, he said he would work on it *during* this year. A bit. Naturally, anything counts towards that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>Even as I watched the President, on TV, say those words; &#8220;This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are&#8221;, I was clearly seeing how he spoke like a typical politician. He was not saying that he would work to get DADT *repealed* this year. No, he said he would work on it *during* this year. A bit. Naturally, anything counts towards that.</p>
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		<title>By: Burr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s absurd that Obama has no problem passing completely unrelated crap like hate crimes legislation in a defense bill, but not something that DIRECTLY APPLIES TO THE MILITARY..

Bullcrap. F&#039;ing bullcrap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s absurd that Obama has no problem passing completely unrelated crap like hate crimes legislation in a defense bill, but not something that DIRECTLY APPLIES TO THE MILITARY..</p>
<p>Bullcrap. F&#8217;ing bullcrap.</p>
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		<title>By: mike/</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the end of the year is December 31, 2010!

the midterm elections are November 2, 2010!

there are 59 days between the two.

plenty of time to pass the repeal of DADT...

and enough time afterward for Obama &amp; his cohort to say, &quot;See. We did it!&quot;

this is how Obama works; this is how Obama ALWAYS worked; he was and continues to be a snake in the grass whose #1 priority is Obama; 

after working to help get him elected in Illinois, i realized he was all talk; he continues to be all talk; friends have been waiting for me to say, &quot;I told you so.&quot; 

i don&#039;t need to; they know it already...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the end of the year is December 31, 2010!</p>
<p>the midterm elections are November 2, 2010!</p>
<p>there are 59 days between the two.</p>
<p>plenty of time to pass the repeal of DADT&#8230;</p>
<p>and enough time afterward for Obama &amp; his cohort to say, &#8220;See. We did it!&#8221;</p>
<p>this is how Obama works; this is how Obama ALWAYS worked; he was and continues to be a snake in the grass whose #1 priority is Obama; </p>
<p>after working to help get him elected in Illinois, i realized he was all talk; he continues to be all talk; friends have been waiting for me to say, &#8220;I told you so.&#8221; </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t need to; they know it already&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frijondi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frijondi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a quote from Obama&#039;s speech in Cairo last year:

&quot;The sixth issue -- the sixth issue that I want to address is women&#039;s rights.  (Applause.)  I know –- I know -- and you can tell from this audience, that there is a healthy debate about this issue.&quot;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-cairo-university-6-04-09

He then proceeds to make some nice-sounding, general remarks about how important it is for women to have the opportunity to reach their full potential; he also makes a number of (in my view) overly defensive statements about his respect for women who &quot;choose to live their lives in traditional roles.&quot; (It&#039;s their choice!  They choose their choice!)

No matter how often he says &quot;I-support-opportunities-for-women-and-believe-they-can-contribute-as-much-to-society-as-men-especially-when-they-choose-their-choice,&quot; it doesn&#039;t undo the message contained in that opening line: not only are women&#039;s rights a legitimate subject of debate, it&#039;s healthy to debate them, sort of like debating the usefulness of carbon offsets.

Funny thing, he devotes quite a bit of space in this speech to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, yet somehow manages to avoid suggesting that the human rights of either group could or should be treated like an intellectual football.  But, as is so often the case, it&#039;s different when it&#039;s only women being talked about.  (Quite a few men, and a surprising number of women, have difficulty seeing women as people -- just regular people, with standard-issue rights and responsibilities.)

Obama has been called tone-deaf on the subject of gay rights.  He is also apparently tone-deaf on the subject of women&#039;s rights.  That&#039;s a serious problem -- if he cannot see that women&#039;s rights are, in fact, just plain old standard human rights, not a special option you can order to show how refined and civilized you are, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much hope he&#039;s suddenly going to realize that gay rights are also human rights.

I&#039;ve sung in enough choirs to know that even a tone-deaf person can learn to sing on pitch if they work at it.  I don&#039;t have the impression Obama&#039;s making much of an effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from Obama&#8217;s speech in Cairo last year:</p>
<p>&#8220;The sixth issue &#8212; the sixth issue that I want to address is women&#8217;s rights.  (Applause.)  I know –- I know &#8212; and you can tell from this audience, that there is a healthy debate about this issue.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-cairo-university-6-04-09" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-cairo-university-6-04-09</a></p>
<p>He then proceeds to make some nice-sounding, general remarks about how important it is for women to have the opportunity to reach their full potential; he also makes a number of (in my view) overly defensive statements about his respect for women who &#8220;choose to live their lives in traditional roles.&#8221; (It&#8217;s their choice!  They choose their choice!)</p>
<p>No matter how often he says &#8220;I-support-opportunities-for-women-and-believe-they-can-contribute-as-much-to-society-as-men-especially-when-they-choose-their-choice,&#8221; it doesn&#8217;t undo the message contained in that opening line: not only are women&#8217;s rights a legitimate subject of debate, it&#8217;s healthy to debate them, sort of like debating the usefulness of carbon offsets.</p>
<p>Funny thing, he devotes quite a bit of space in this speech to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, yet somehow manages to avoid suggesting that the human rights of either group could or should be treated like an intellectual football.  But, as is so often the case, it&#8217;s different when it&#8217;s only women being talked about.  (Quite a few men, and a surprising number of women, have difficulty seeing women as people &#8212; just regular people, with standard-issue rights and responsibilities.)</p>
<p>Obama has been called tone-deaf on the subject of gay rights.  He is also apparently tone-deaf on the subject of women&#8217;s rights.  That&#8217;s a serious problem &#8212; if he cannot see that women&#8217;s rights are, in fact, just plain old standard human rights, not a special option you can order to show how refined and civilized you are, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much hope he&#8217;s suddenly going to realize that gay rights are also human rights.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve sung in enough choirs to know that even a tone-deaf person can learn to sing on pitch if they work at it.  I don&#8217;t have the impression Obama&#8217;s making much of an effort.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent the following email to the White House.  I encourage others to directly contact the President and express their displeasure.

Dear Mr. President,

I am deeply saddened to find out today that 5 days after your solemn pledge in the State of the Union to repeal Don&#039;t Ask Don&#039;t Tell &quot;this year,&quot; that you had Mr. Messina meet with various GLBT groups and tell them that you would make no effort to repeal Don&#039;t Ask Don&#039;t Tell this year, and that you were specifically pressuring Congress not to put repeal in the Defense Authorization Bill.

The sting of this betrayal will be felt by me and so many other Americans who continue to work for a day when all Americans will be treated equally and with respect, including gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered Americans.

It deeply saddens me to discover that you would have so little respect for gay Americans as to make that solemn pledge and then go back on it 5 days later.

There was a time that I really believed that &quot;Yes We Can&quot; with this Adminstration.  Unfortunately, your Administration&#039;s very clear response to me and all LGBT Americans is &quot;NO WE WON&#039;T.&quot;  I will keep that in mind in 2010 and in 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent the following email to the White House.  I encourage others to directly contact the President and express their displeasure.</p>
<p>Dear Mr. President,</p>
<p>I am deeply saddened to find out today that 5 days after your solemn pledge in the State of the Union to repeal Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell &#8220;this year,&#8221; that you had Mr. Messina meet with various GLBT groups and tell them that you would make no effort to repeal Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell this year, and that you were specifically pressuring Congress not to put repeal in the Defense Authorization Bill.</p>
<p>The sting of this betrayal will be felt by me and so many other Americans who continue to work for a day when all Americans will be treated equally and with respect, including gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered Americans.</p>
<p>It deeply saddens me to discover that you would have so little respect for gay Americans as to make that solemn pledge and then go back on it 5 days later.</p>
<p>There was a time that I really believed that &#8220;Yes We Can&#8221; with this Adminstration.  Unfortunately, your Administration&#8217;s very clear response to me and all LGBT Americans is &#8220;NO WE WON&#8217;T.&#8221;  I will keep that in mind in 2010 and in 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is a not so closeted Republican who ran as a Democrat.

From the moment he stepped on stage with &quot;ex-gay&quot; leaders, it was clear Obama did not and would not support equality for GLBTQ people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is a not so closeted Republican who ran as a Democrat.</p>
<p>From the moment he stepped on stage with &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; leaders, it was clear Obama did not and would not support equality for GLBTQ people.</p>
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