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	<title>Comments on: Minneapolis paper profiles doctor who refuted bogus pediatrician group</title>
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		<title>By: PeeJ</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/05/25/22997/comment-page-1#comment-69163</link>
		<dc:creator>PeeJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 17:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dr. Tom Benton and the rest of his pretend organization are dedicated anti-gay activists first and physicians a far distant second.&quot;

Actually, most of them aren&#039;t even physicians at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dr. Tom Benton and the rest of his pretend organization are dedicated anti-gay activists first and physicians a far distant second.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, most of them aren&#8217;t even physicians at all.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/05/25/22997/comment-page-1#comment-69160</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 17:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t it distorting and misrepresenting others&#039; research that led to Paul Cameron being expelled from the American Psychological Association?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t it distorting and misrepresenting others&#8217; research that led to Paul Cameron being expelled from the American Psychological Association?</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 17:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EXCELLENT point, Tim!
Exactly right. The APC is using the credentials and reputation of the researcher. To distort it, and especially for negative purposes and specific political exploitation ARE likely engaging in some kind of actionable libel.

   This research is aimed towards VERY serious and direct affect on real lives, not theoretical ones.
What Benton is doing, is helping to maintain a societal conflict that disrupts and threatens gay people. Indeed, every Constitutional freedom accorded to everyone is at issue for gay people ONLY because of this distortion of research.

  If this were used against ASEXUAL people, Jews...or those with even clinical disability, it would be considered prejudicial in content, and bigoted in application because of WHO it targets...and WHY.

    Benton shouldn&#039;t get away with it. And Remafedi needs to go after him, NARTH, et al for exactly the reasons Tim stated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXCELLENT point, Tim!<br />
Exactly right. The APC is using the credentials and reputation of the researcher. To distort it, and especially for negative purposes and specific political exploitation ARE likely engaging in some kind of actionable libel.</p>
<p>   This research is aimed towards VERY serious and direct affect on real lives, not theoretical ones.<br />
What Benton is doing, is helping to maintain a societal conflict that disrupts and threatens gay people. Indeed, every Constitutional freedom accorded to everyone is at issue for gay people ONLY because of this distortion of research.</p>
<p>  If this were used against ASEXUAL people, Jews&#8230;or those with even clinical disability, it would be considered prejudicial in content, and bigoted in application because of WHO it targets&#8230;and WHY.</p>
<p>    Benton shouldn&#8217;t get away with it. And Remafedi needs to go after him, NARTH, et al for exactly the reasons Tim stated.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/05/25/22997/comment-page-1#comment-69152</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 16:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a lawyer, nor do I play one on BTB.  However...

If I claim that someone has done research and that their research supports a specific conclusion, I am using their reputation.  For example, if I say, &quot;Research by the Harvard Medical School shows that if you buy my product you&#039;ll lose weight, regrow your hair, and your wrinkles will go away!&quot;, I am basing my claim on Harvard&#039;s reputation.

I would think that Harvard has the right to protect it&#039;s reputation, especially if they did research and found that this product actually did none of the above but instead caused boils to break out on your butt.

It is quite one thing to reference Remafedi and Collins among many others in a book (though ethically you should indicate that they disagree with your conclusions).  It&#039;s quite another to base your entire premise on a few people and imply that they support your position.

I hope one of our attorney readers can answer:

If Francis Collins, Gary Remafedi, and perhaps others on their list were to sue, could they force the ACP to stop misappropriating their name, reputation, and work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, nor do I play one on BTB.  However&#8230;</p>
<p>If I claim that someone has done research and that their research supports a specific conclusion, I am using their reputation.  For example, if I say, &#8220;Research by the Harvard Medical School shows that if you buy my product you&#8217;ll lose weight, regrow your hair, and your wrinkles will go away!&#8221;, I am basing my claim on Harvard&#8217;s reputation.</p>
<p>I would think that Harvard has the right to protect it&#8217;s reputation, especially if they did research and found that this product actually did none of the above but instead caused boils to break out on your butt.</p>
<p>It is quite one thing to reference Remafedi and Collins among many others in a book (though ethically you should indicate that they disagree with your conclusions).  It&#8217;s quite another to base your entire premise on a few people and imply that they support your position.</p>
<p>I hope one of our attorney readers can answer:</p>
<p>If Francis Collins, Gary Remafedi, and perhaps others on their list were to sue, could they force the ACP to stop misappropriating their name, reputation, and work?</p>
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		<title>By: justsearching</title>
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		<dc:creator>justsearching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 15:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sham doctors with either sham research or distorted research. We shouldn&#039;t expect anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sham doctors with either sham research or distorted research. We shouldn&#8217;t expect anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 14:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope he sues.
I hope he wins.

Imagine how hard it will be to lie about gay people if distorting legit research stops being a legal tactic.

Seems a class action lawsuit might be in order for a few anti-gay orgs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope he sues.<br />
I hope he wins.</p>
<p>Imagine how hard it will be to lie about gay people if distorting legit research stops being a legal tactic.</p>
<p>Seems a class action lawsuit might be in order for a few anti-gay orgs.</p>
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		<title>By: Pender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 14:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually agree with the bigot on one point: that morally and legally, you don&#039;t need a researcher&#039;s permission to cite his work, even for causes that the researcher opposes.

That said, I&#039;m sure the bigots are either misrepresenting the research or blowing it out of proportion. How can I be so confident? Because if there were real evidence that gayness can change, it would have shown up in the Prop 8 trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with the bigot on one point: that morally and legally, you don&#8217;t need a researcher&#8217;s permission to cite his work, even for causes that the researcher opposes.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m sure the bigots are either misrepresenting the research or blowing it out of proportion. How can I be so confident? Because if there were real evidence that gayness can change, it would have shown up in the Prop 8 trial.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/05/25/22997/comment-page-1#comment-69137</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 04:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...&quot;his research supports our conclusions, even if he doesn&#039;t.&quot;

W.T.F?!!???!

   Is that STUPID, or what?  Is there no bottom to this ridiculousness? Is their bigotry SO important that they are past caring that they don&#039;t even make any sense to someone with a brain?!

  And THESE are the people who insist that voting on another minority&#039;s civil rights is THEIR right?
No matter how dumb or malicious that demand really is?


  What can you do with this level of stupid?
Really, what CAN we do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8221;his research supports our conclusions, even if he doesn&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>W.T.F?!!???!</p>
<p>   Is that STUPID, or what?  Is there no bottom to this ridiculousness? Is their bigotry SO important that they are past caring that they don&#8217;t even make any sense to someone with a brain?!</p>
<p>  And THESE are the people who insist that voting on another minority&#8217;s civil rights is THEIR right?<br />
No matter how dumb or malicious that demand really is?</p>
<p>  What can you do with this level of stupid?<br />
Really, what CAN we do?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony P</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/05/25/22997/comment-page-1#comment-69125</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 01:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How very interesting that the ACP is thumbing its nose at Remafedi. I hope he pursues a civil case against them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How very interesting that the ACP is thumbing its nose at Remafedi. I hope he pursues a civil case against them.</p>
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