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	<title>Comments on: Scott Lively Struggles With Uganda&#8217;s Death Penalty</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/05/27/23059/comment-page-1#comment-90135</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

You are wrong.  Lively twisted data, made up &quot;facts&quot;, excluded those that contradicted his presumptions, and made a mockery of historical research.

I once perused a website that did a page by page, paragraph by paragraph, debunking of his lies.  It was amazing the extent to which he had to dismiss mountains of evidence and cling to the most tentative of speculations in order to come to his conclusions.

But more compelling than that is the fact that absolutely no historians - especially those who focus either on the Holocaust or on 1930&#039;s Germany - agree with Lively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>You are wrong.  Lively twisted data, made up &#8220;facts&#8221;, excluded those that contradicted his presumptions, and made a mockery of historical research.</p>
<p>I once perused a website that did a page by page, paragraph by paragraph, debunking of his lies.  It was amazing the extent to which he had to dismiss mountains of evidence and cling to the most tentative of speculations in order to come to his conclusions.</p>
<p>But more compelling than that is the fact that absolutely no historians &#8211; especially those who focus either on the Holocaust or on 1930&#8242;s Germany &#8211; agree with Lively.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 06:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction to final paragraph....

I don’t believe in custodial sentences for being homosexual other than for offences involving sexual assault but I am utterly opposed to homosexual marriage and child adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction to final paragraph&#8230;.</p>
<p>I don’t believe in custodial sentences for being homosexual other than for offences involving sexual assault but I am utterly opposed to homosexual marriage and child adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 06:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Catholic I&#039;m not keen on Lively and the way he goes about his business. But I will say this. Re the gay origins of Nazism all he did was collate and present sources already in existence. He provided no new evidence of his own. 

If you object to people like Lively identifying gays with Nazism then spare a thought for the Christians who are offended by gay attempts to present Jesus and The Apostles as homosexuals.

I don&#039;t believe in custodial sentences for being homosexual other than for offences involving sexual assault but I am utterly to homosexual marriage and child adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Catholic I&#8217;m not keen on Lively and the way he goes about his business. But I will say this. Re the gay origins of Nazism all he did was collate and present sources already in existence. He provided no new evidence of his own. </p>
<p>If you object to people like Lively identifying gays with Nazism then spare a thought for the Christians who are offended by gay attempts to present Jesus and The Apostles as homosexuals.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe in custodial sentences for being homosexual other than for offences involving sexual assault but I am utterly to homosexual marriage and child adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/05/27/23059/comment-page-1#comment-72740</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the link to the whole program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo77w_71hA0&amp;has_verified=1


I am outraged, confused and wondering what action I should take. I remember a decade ago watching a Christian documentary about Uganda becoming a Christian nation and how excited I was. Little did I know things would come to this.

It seems more to me that American conservative culture and ideas really is to blame for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the link to the whole program:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo77w_71hA0&#038;has_verified=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo77w_71hA0&#038;has_verified=1</a></p>
<p>I am outraged, confused and wondering what action I should take. I remember a decade ago watching a Christian documentary about Uganda becoming a Christian nation and how excited I was. Little did I know things would come to this.</p>
<p>It seems more to me that American conservative culture and ideas really is to blame for this.</p>
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		<title>By: nikko</title>
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		<dc:creator>nikko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 00:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a vile, evil, deluded man. So smug I&#039;d love to rip his head off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a vile, evil, deluded man. So smug I&#8217;d love to rip his head off.</p>
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		<title>By: F</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/05/27/23059/comment-page-1#comment-69388</link>
		<dc:creator>F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 23:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;“&lt;B&gt;van Zeller:&lt;/B&gt; Some people would even say it was written by some religious leaders such as Martin Ssempa.

&lt;B&gt;Lively:&lt;/B&gt; I don’t think he wrote it. I think it was”
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

No, according to Rev Kapya Kaoma, it actually was Lively himself who wrote at least parts of the bill, in the sense that the  draft included full paragraphs from Lively&#039;s apeech: 

&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&quot;Lively gave a speech at the seminar and Langa simply repeated it word for word in helping to compile the bill. As a result - the first draft included full paragraphs of Scott Lively&#039;s work.&quot;
http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20091215-anti-gay-bill-inspired-american-pastors-uganda-stephen-langa-scott-lively
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

If this is true, I can only imagine what proudly anti-colonialist Ugandans ---who fume and rant about the arrogant colonialism of human rights advocates, the unAfricanness of gays and the racism of those who claim that the whole thing was instigated by US Evangeligals--- I can only imagine what they would say if they found out that the Anti-Homosexuality Bill that they claim shows Uganda&#039;s moral &quot;leadership&quot; and superiority was written at least indirectly and in part by a wealthy, white American conspiracy theorist, most likely in Sacramento?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“<b>van Zeller:</b> Some people would even say it was written by some religious leaders such as Martin Ssempa.</p>
<p><b>Lively:</b> I don’t think he wrote it. I think it was”
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<p>No, according to Rev Kapya Kaoma, it actually was Lively himself who wrote at least parts of the bill, in the sense that the  draft included full paragraphs from Lively&#8217;s apeech: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Lively gave a speech at the seminar and Langa simply repeated it word for word in helping to compile the bill. As a result &#8211; the first draft included full paragraphs of Scott Lively&#8217;s work.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20091215-anti-gay-bill-inspired-american-pastors-uganda-stephen-langa-scott-lively" rel="nofollow">http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20091215-anti-gay-bill-inspired-american-pastors-uganda-stephen-langa-scott-lively</a>
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<p>If this is true, I can only imagine what proudly anti-colonialist Ugandans &#8212;who fume and rant about the arrogant colonialism of human rights advocates, the unAfricanness of gays and the racism of those who claim that the whole thing was instigated by US Evangeligals&#8212; I can only imagine what they would say if they found out that the Anti-Homosexuality Bill that they claim shows Uganda&#8217;s moral &#8220;leadership&#8221; and superiority was written at least indirectly and in part by a wealthy, white American conspiracy theorist, most likely in Sacramento?</p>
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		<title>By: John Doucette</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Doucette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 15:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s doing nothing more than covering his own butt, or trying to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s doing nothing more than covering his own butt, or trying to.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 02:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it with investigative reporters anymore that they cannot ask the obvious question when a guy makes a baldface statement claiming Euro-American gay activists are &#039;doing something&#039; to Uganda?   Why do they allow these lies to go unchallenged?

It&#039;s amazing a man like Lively who puports to be a &#039;true American&#039; can go around supporting a bill that denies constitutionally protected freedom of speech (in Uganda as well as America) to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it with investigative reporters anymore that they cannot ask the obvious question when a guy makes a baldface statement claiming Euro-American gay activists are &#8216;doing something&#8217; to Uganda?   Why do they allow these lies to go unchallenged?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing a man like Lively who puports to be a &#8216;true American&#8217; can go around supporting a bill that denies constitutionally protected freedom of speech (in Uganda as well as America) to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: F</title>
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		<dc:creator>F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 01:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;B&gt;van Zeller:&lt;/B&gt; Some people would even say it was written by some religious leaders such as Martin Ssempa.

&lt;B&gt;Lively:&lt;/B&gt; I don’t think he wrote it. I think it was&quot;

&quot;It was not clear who wrote the draft legislation, the committee’s report says, noting that the document had “technical defects in form and content&#039;.&quot;
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/914088/-/wyk5y9/-/index.html

Too bad the reporter didn&#039;t ask Lively whether he&#039;s the one who wrote the bill. He has a law degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<b>van Zeller:</b> Some people would even say it was written by some religious leaders such as Martin Ssempa.</p>
<p><b>Lively:</b> I don’t think he wrote it. I think it was&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It was not clear who wrote the draft legislation, the committee’s report says, noting that the document had “technical defects in form and content&#8217;.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/914088/-/wyk5y9/-/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/914088/-/wyk5y9/-/index.html</a></p>
<p>Too bad the reporter didn&#8217;t ask Lively whether he&#8217;s the one who wrote the bill. He has a law degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 21:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard R, that is exactly what I see every time I see it -- he knows exactly where he stands but he&#039;s afraid to &quot;man up&quot; and be honest and just come out and say it.

PW - right on, what you said!
&quot;Maybe he can find the guts to personally pull the trigger or insert the needle since he is so proud of his alleged morals and the hatred he has stirred up.&quot;

Scott Lively, Ssempa, Porno Pete % Matt, Fischer, Sprigg, Engle, Perkins et al. exhibit all of the signs of sociopathic personality disorders (not to mention the obvious obsessions with sex).

I&#039;d bet they secretly hope and pray that one or two of their &quot;less balanced&quot; followers will hear the voice(s) of god and go nutz on a crowd of LGBT folk.  They want to &quot;send a message&quot; so badly that they can taste it -- ah, but these pesky laws we have about murdering people?   ... well, they&#039;re working on that for us every time they demonize us, with every lie, every disgusting mis-characterization -- Uganda is their testing ground for what they want to see happen here -- they&#039;re working to get their people into all levels of public policy-making positions.

I&#039;d bet that every time they hear of an LGBT person beaten, bashed, tortured, murdered, they are saying praises and glory to gwd among themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard R, that is exactly what I see every time I see it &#8212; he knows exactly where he stands but he&#8217;s afraid to &#8220;man up&#8221; and be honest and just come out and say it.</p>
<p>PW &#8211; right on, what you said!<br />
&#8220;Maybe he can find the guts to personally pull the trigger or insert the needle since he is so proud of his alleged morals and the hatred he has stirred up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Scott Lively, Ssempa, Porno Pete % Matt, Fischer, Sprigg, Engle, Perkins et al. exhibit all of the signs of sociopathic personality disorders (not to mention the obvious obsessions with sex).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet they secretly hope and pray that one or two of their &#8220;less balanced&#8221; followers will hear the voice(s) of god and go nutz on a crowd of LGBT folk.  They want to &#8220;send a message&#8221; so badly that they can taste it &#8212; ah, but these pesky laws we have about murdering people?   &#8230; well, they&#8217;re working on that for us every time they demonize us, with every lie, every disgusting mis-characterization &#8212; Uganda is their testing ground for what they want to see happen here &#8212; they&#8217;re working to get their people into all levels of public policy-making positions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet that every time they hear of an LGBT person beaten, bashed, tortured, murdered, they are saying praises and glory to gwd among themselves.</p>
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