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	<title>Comments on: Scott Lively Warns of Nazi-Like Takeover If DADT Is Repealed</title>
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		<title>By: oatc</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/02/23174/comment-page-1#comment-74496</link>
		<dc:creator>oatc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But when he exports it to Russia, Eastern Europe or Uganda, it causes real and lasting damage.&quot;

A real shame then that, while he is free to export his hatred, the interviews that destroy his credibility are restricted to US viewers only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But when he exports it to Russia, Eastern Europe or Uganda, it causes real and lasting damage.&#8221;</p>
<p>A real shame then that, while he is free to export his hatred, the interviews that destroy his credibility are restricted to US viewers only.</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/02/23174/comment-page-1#comment-69705</link>
		<dc:creator>Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lively&#039;s work is dangerous even though it is laughably wrong.  Why is it dangerous?  Because most Americans don&#039;t know how to evaluate arguments and evidence.  

Lively discusses a handful of people in the Nazi movement who are alleged (some based on nothing more than rumor or gossip) to have been gay, confidently asserts that they were all gay, asserts that Nazism was caused by their &quot;homosexuality&quot; and further asserts that gays in America in 2010 are potential or actual Nazis.  

In a recent letter on this subject, posted on his site, he offers as evidence of the American gay movement&#039;s fascist leanings the fact that the first gay group in America was formed in Chicago in 1924.  That group had a parent organization in Berlin.  That group in Berlin had a member, Ernst Roehm, who became a Nazi.  Accordingly, although neither the Chicago organization, the Berlin organization, nor any of its founders were Nazi and even these organizations ceased to exist decades before the rise of the modern gay rights movement, the membership of Roehm is evidence of the Nazi leanings of the gay movement.  To a good number  of people, this all makes perfect sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lively&#8217;s work is dangerous even though it is laughably wrong.  Why is it dangerous?  Because most Americans don&#8217;t know how to evaluate arguments and evidence.  </p>
<p>Lively discusses a handful of people in the Nazi movement who are alleged (some based on nothing more than rumor or gossip) to have been gay, confidently asserts that they were all gay, asserts that Nazism was caused by their &#8220;homosexuality&#8221; and further asserts that gays in America in 2010 are potential or actual Nazis.  </p>
<p>In a recent letter on this subject, posted on his site, he offers as evidence of the American gay movement&#8217;s fascist leanings the fact that the first gay group in America was formed in Chicago in 1924.  That group had a parent organization in Berlin.  That group in Berlin had a member, Ernst Roehm, who became a Nazi.  Accordingly, although neither the Chicago organization, the Berlin organization, nor any of its founders were Nazi and even these organizations ceased to exist decades before the rise of the modern gay rights movement, the membership of Roehm is evidence of the Nazi leanings of the gay movement.  To a good number  of people, this all makes perfect sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/02/23174/comment-page-1#comment-69664</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lively&#039;s worst nightmare isn&#039;t the homoerotic-militaristic fantasies he makes up and puts in books.  It&#039;s two men or two women walking hand in hand down a street pushing a baby carriage while an older lady stops to congratulate the parents on their children.  So here&#039;s to Lively&#039;s worst nightmare, may find its way into the very heart of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lively&#8217;s worst nightmare isn&#8217;t the homoerotic-militaristic fantasies he makes up and puts in books.  It&#8217;s two men or two women walking hand in hand down a street pushing a baby carriage while an older lady stops to congratulate the parents on their children.  So here&#8217;s to Lively&#8217;s worst nightmare, may find its way into the very heart of America.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/02/23174/comment-page-1#comment-69641</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I would like to help Lively get a copy of his book into the hands of every senator, just so that they might realize what kind of extremist nutjob he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I would like to help Lively get a copy of his book into the hands of every senator, just so that they might realize what kind of extremist nutjob he is.</p>
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		<title>By: SharonB</title>
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		<dc:creator>SharonB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan raises an exceptionally prescient point: here Lively is merely projecting on his enemies(gays) what he and his relionistas have secretly wished to do, and to a degree have accomplished in the military!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan raises an exceptionally prescient point: here Lively is merely projecting on his enemies(gays) what he and his relionistas have secretly wished to do, and to a degree have accomplished in the military!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Vojir</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/02/23174/comment-page-1#comment-69628</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Vojir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Gay Blood Libel

Bart: I agree with you about Uganda, but not about Lively&#039;s influence in the U.S. You said &quot;the sophistication of the typical American.&quot; Well, that &quot;sophistication&quot; has eroded over the years and the Christofascist Right has been largely at fault: a surprising percentage of people believe in the kind of anthropomorphized, vengeful, jealous God of the Old Testament than we had previously thought, giving rise to homeschooling, The Creation Museum and the Texas School Board.

The Gay Blood Libel may stick to people willing to believe that gays were responsible for the Holocaust. These are people who need hatred for the sake of hatred. Please don&#039;t discount Lively. Some lives may be at stake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Gay Blood Libel</p>
<p>Bart: I agree with you about Uganda, but not about Lively&#8217;s influence in the U.S. You said &#8220;the sophistication of the typical American.&#8221; Well, that &#8220;sophistication&#8221; has eroded over the years and the Christofascist Right has been largely at fault: a surprising percentage of people believe in the kind of anthropomorphized, vengeful, jealous God of the Old Testament than we had previously thought, giving rise to homeschooling, The Creation Museum and the Texas School Board.</p>
<p>The Gay Blood Libel may stick to people willing to believe that gays were responsible for the Holocaust. These are people who need hatred for the sake of hatred. Please don&#8217;t discount Lively. Some lives may be at stake.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are in an era where if you say somethimg loud enough, long enough it is then considered fact.  That&#039;s the theory that people like Scott Lively adhere to.  In a country with a vast internet connection, where media is ever-present, this idiotic ridiculousness never really gains traction other than to make the speaker look like a tin foil hat wearer with one too many cats who thinks that aliens are listening to his thoughts.  The sophistication of the typical American far outshines the science fiction spouted by a Scott Lively.  But in a less sophisiticated country like Uganda, it creates a rip tide cesspool that draws people into it because their reality is what someone tells them it is, like the poo-poo obsessed Rev. Sempa (for those who have heard him speak, you&#039;ll know what I&#039;m talking about.)  Is a Scott Lively dangerous in this country?  Probably not.  Most likely, he actually hurts his own cause because he turns off even ardent homophobes with is bizarre socio-fantasies.  But elsewhere in the world, he is both shamefully and disgustingly dangerous.  And if he truly believes in the God he sometimes speaks about, people like Lively and the nutty Sempa are destined for the same hell they want to condemn other people into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are in an era where if you say somethimg loud enough, long enough it is then considered fact.  That&#8217;s the theory that people like Scott Lively adhere to.  In a country with a vast internet connection, where media is ever-present, this idiotic ridiculousness never really gains traction other than to make the speaker look like a tin foil hat wearer with one too many cats who thinks that aliens are listening to his thoughts.  The sophistication of the typical American far outshines the science fiction spouted by a Scott Lively.  But in a less sophisiticated country like Uganda, it creates a rip tide cesspool that draws people into it because their reality is what someone tells them it is, like the poo-poo obsessed Rev. Sempa (for those who have heard him speak, you&#8217;ll know what I&#8217;m talking about.)  Is a Scott Lively dangerous in this country?  Probably not.  Most likely, he actually hurts his own cause because he turns off even ardent homophobes with is bizarre socio-fantasies.  But elsewhere in the world, he is both shamefully and disgustingly dangerous.  And if he truly believes in the God he sometimes speaks about, people like Lively and the nutty Sempa are destined for the same hell they want to condemn other people into.</p>
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		<title>By: KZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People against repealing DADT know that their losing this battle. Desperate times call for loonier claims. Just days ago, Bryan Fischer, certified idiot at the AFA, reiterated Lively&#039;s claim that Hilter and his closest military advisors were gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People against repealing DADT know that their losing this battle. Desperate times call for loonier claims. Just days ago, Bryan Fischer, certified idiot at the AFA, reiterated Lively&#8217;s claim that Hilter and his closest military advisors were gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the fact that 
a Christian subculture of servicemen has formed, characterized by intense internal loyalty and political ambition. Eventually, this “army within an army,” buoyed by pro-Christian “affirmative action,” and the ability to act covertly (due to the fact that some would remain “closeted“) has come to dominate the services. What have they done with such power? The historical precedents are uniformly bad, particularly those at the Air Force Academy, an institution that while under the control of evangelical Christian hierarchy and cadet corp suffered the worst rape record in the history of the Service Academies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the fact that<br />
a Christian subculture of servicemen has formed, characterized by intense internal loyalty and political ambition. Eventually, this “army within an army,” buoyed by pro-Christian “affirmative action,” and the ability to act covertly (due to the fact that some would remain “closeted“) has come to dominate the services. What have they done with such power? The historical precedents are uniformly bad, particularly those at the Air Force Academy, an institution that while under the control of evangelical Christian hierarchy and cadet corp suffered the worst rape record in the history of the Service Academies.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swampfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man is utterly daffy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man is utterly daffy.</p>
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