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	<title>Comments on: Ken Hutcherson has blood on his hands</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/07/23319/comment-page-1#comment-70133</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antioch Bible Church in Redmond, WA does not seen to have any affiliation with any organized religion.  Does that make them a &quot;CULT&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antioch Bible Church in Redmond, WA does not seen to have any affiliation with any organized religion.  Does that make them a &#8220;CULT&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/07/23319/comment-page-1#comment-70092</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

We do not present speculation as though it were fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>We do not present speculation as though it were fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/07/23319/comment-page-1#comment-70082</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hutcherson is a gay man so closeted and so in &#039;hate&#039; with himself that he can&#039;t even SEE straight any longer.

A menace to society dressed like a preacher man.

Never seen THAT one before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hutcherson is a gay man so closeted and so in &#8216;hate&#8217; with himself that he can&#8217;t even SEE straight any longer.</p>
<p>A menace to society dressed like a preacher man.</p>
<p>Never seen THAT one before.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/07/23319/comment-page-1#comment-70011</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 22:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, the name of the paper is the &quot;Snoqualmie Valley Record&quot; (not &quot;Reporter&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the name of the paper is the &#8220;Snoqualmie Valley Record&#8221; (not &#8220;Reporter&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/07/23319/comment-page-1#comment-70010</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 22:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more follow-up on this incident, read a report in the local newspaper, the &quot;Snoqualmie Valley Reporter&quot; at http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/east_king/svr/news/95732044.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more follow-up on this incident, read a report in the local newspaper, the &#8220;Snoqualmie Valley Reporter&#8221; at <a href="http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/east_king/svr/news/95732044.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/east_king/svr/news/95732044.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/07/23319/comment-page-1#comment-70003</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And individual like Hutcherson doesn&#039;t have to be &#039;directly linked&#039; to acts of violence that culminate against children or anyone else perceived of or who is gay.

 HIS MESSAGE and ACTIVITY can be.

  During the height of the Klan&#039;s violence against blacks and their supporters during the civil rights movement, the Klan constantly denied condoning violence and engaging in it.

 At the same time, no single incident could be directly linked to the Klan&#039;s LEADERSHIP.
  And some of those responsible for acts of violence weren&#039;t directly linked to the Klan.

    But their message clearly got such violence accomplished, didn&#039;t it?


  Hitler didn&#039;t actually shoot a Jew, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And individual like Hutcherson doesn&#8217;t have to be &#8216;directly linked&#8217; to acts of violence that culminate against children or anyone else perceived of or who is gay.</p>
<p> HIS MESSAGE and ACTIVITY can be.</p>
<p>  During the height of the Klan&#8217;s violence against blacks and their supporters during the civil rights movement, the Klan constantly denied condoning violence and engaging in it.</p>
<p> At the same time, no single incident could be directly linked to the Klan&#8217;s LEADERSHIP.<br />
  And some of those responsible for acts of violence weren&#8217;t directly linked to the Klan.</p>
<p>    But their message clearly got such violence accomplished, didn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>  Hitler didn&#8217;t actually shoot a Jew, either.</p>
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		<title>By: paul j stein</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/07/23319/comment-page-1#comment-69997</link>
		<dc:creator>paul j stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue him, his church, the school board, the principal, any teachers or staff involved in &quot;non assistance&quot;. Take their pensions and property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue him, his church, the school board, the principal, any teachers or staff involved in &#8220;non assistance&#8221;. Take their pensions and property.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/06/07/23319/comment-page-1#comment-69994</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t see how the assault can be directly linked to him. Please explain what the direct connection is since the article completely fails to create a proper link between the two matters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Totz, 

1. Ken Hutcherson led a campaign to oppose any protection for gay students at Mt. Si and encouraged &quot;the culture of disapproval and condemnation.&quot;*  2.  This led to a social culture in which it was acceptable to torment kids who were believed to be gay.  3.  This torment culminated in an assault.

If you are not fully aware of the extent of Hutcherson&#039;s activism at the school, please read the linked commentaries.  If you are not fully aware of the bullying culture that resulted, please read the linked Seattle Times article.

*  This is a phrase accepted by Laurie Higgins, one of Hutcherson&#039;s close associates and allies in anti-gay activism, to describe their efforts to increase intolerance and encourage social stimitization of gay students.  They do not deny that this is their goal.  They oppose &quot;normalization&quot; and &quot;affirmation&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t see how the assault can be directly linked to him. Please explain what the direct connection is since the article completely fails to create a proper link between the two matters.</p></blockquote>
<p>Totz, </p>
<p>1. Ken Hutcherson led a campaign to oppose any protection for gay students at Mt. Si and encouraged &#8220;the culture of disapproval and condemnation.&#8221;*  2.  This led to a social culture in which it was acceptable to torment kids who were believed to be gay.  3.  This torment culminated in an assault.</p>
<p>If you are not fully aware of the extent of Hutcherson&#8217;s activism at the school, please read the linked commentaries.  If you are not fully aware of the bullying culture that resulted, please read the linked Seattle Times article.</p>
<p>*  This is a phrase accepted by Laurie Higgins, one of Hutcherson&#8217;s close associates and allies in anti-gay activism, to describe their efforts to increase intolerance and encourage social stimitization of gay students.  They do not deny that this is their goal.  They oppose &#8220;normalization&#8221; and &#8220;affirmation&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A society that accepts gays while a few lonely but vocal figures cry out for action is the most conducive to this sort of violence.
If society did not accept it, then not only would such violence be redundant, but the thugs would be aware of acting with society’s approval, and nobody likes doing that.&quot;.

That&#039;s not the case - look at the violence against gays in Iraq or Iran where their societies don&#039;t accept gays.  Gays are much deeper in hiding there but if they are found out they often experience brutal violence or death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A society that accepts gays while a few lonely but vocal figures cry out for action is the most conducive to this sort of violence.<br />
If society did not accept it, then not only would such violence be redundant, but the thugs would be aware of acting with society’s approval, and nobody likes doing that.&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the case &#8211; look at the violence against gays in Iraq or Iran where their societies don&#8217;t accept gays.  Gays are much deeper in hiding there but if they are found out they often experience brutal violence or death.</p>
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		<title>By: Donnchadh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donnchadh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A society that accepts gays while a few lonely but vocal figures cry out for action is the most conducive to this sort of violence.
If society did not accept it, then not only would such violence be redundant, but the thugs would be aware of acting with society&#039;s approval, and nobody likes doing that.
If there is no figure with the prominence and authority to direct it, the violence is too diffused to be noticeable.
I&#039;m not sure what should be done here. Giving children anti-bullying education only gives them an additional target for rebellion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A society that accepts gays while a few lonely but vocal figures cry out for action is the most conducive to this sort of violence.<br />
If society did not accept it, then not only would such violence be redundant, but the thugs would be aware of acting with society&#8217;s approval, and nobody likes doing that.<br />
If there is no figure with the prominence and authority to direct it, the violence is too diffused to be noticeable.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure what should be done here. Giving children anti-bullying education only gives them an additional target for rebellion.</p>
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