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		<title>By: Katie Murphy-ex Cath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie Murphy-ex Cath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 21:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing you can do with some hatefilled catholics, terrified by their church into believing that if they don&#039;t kiss the popes verbal diarrhea, they will end up in hell.

Which is exactly where they belong, and that includes Maggie. And her Pope.

At least she&#039;ll have like minded company.

BTW, Catholic church - still hasn&#039;t EXCOMMUNICATED their boy Hitler.

But last year RATZI UNexcommunicated a holocaust denier, a bishop williamson. At least Argentina threw him out of the country.  And is already 2/3 rds of the way to legalizing gay mmarriage. As did Portugal a month ago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing you can do with some hatefilled catholics, terrified by their church into believing that if they don&#8217;t kiss the popes verbal diarrhea, they will end up in hell.</p>
<p>Which is exactly where they belong, and that includes Maggie. And her Pope.</p>
<p>At least she&#8217;ll have like minded company.</p>
<p>BTW, Catholic church &#8211; still hasn&#8217;t EXCOMMUNICATED their boy Hitler.</p>
<p>But last year RATZI UNexcommunicated a holocaust denier, a bishop williamson. At least Argentina threw him out of the country.  And is already 2/3 rds of the way to legalizing gay mmarriage. As did Portugal a month ago</p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sal said:  &quot;The objective of Maggie’s klan is not to stop marriage or to even win this case. It is to scare as many people as possible into giving them money.&quot;

BINGO!

If anyone cares to study the rise of the religious right back from the days of Billy James Hargis and early Jerry Falwell, you&#039;ll find out that it&#039;s all about marketing.  What will scare our donor base the most?  Communism?  Abortion?  Homosexuals?  Go for the money maker.  The religious right has always preyed on the socially ignorant, deluging them with constant extremist, Armageddon-like scenarios of &quot;what might happen&quot; if they don&#039;t send $10 NOW to fight the .

If you notice, the Tea Party has  broken with the religious right and (for the most part) doesn&#039;t care doodly squat about gay marriage or religious issues-- they&#039;re more concerned with the direction they perceive the economy is going in.  This has redoubled the efforts of Maggie&#039;s ilk to target, scare, and fleece thier donor base.  There are only so many dollars to go around in today&#039;s economy, and the scarcer the donatons get, the more desperate and devious Maggie/Barber/Labarbera, et al., will become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sal said:  &#8220;The objective of Maggie’s klan is not to stop marriage or to even win this case. It is to scare as many people as possible into giving them money.&#8221;</p>
<p>BINGO!</p>
<p>If anyone cares to study the rise of the religious right back from the days of Billy James Hargis and early Jerry Falwell, you&#8217;ll find out that it&#8217;s all about marketing.  What will scare our donor base the most?  Communism?  Abortion?  Homosexuals?  Go for the money maker.  The religious right has always preyed on the socially ignorant, deluging them with constant extremist, Armageddon-like scenarios of &#8220;what might happen&#8221; if they don&#8217;t send $10 NOW to fight the .</p>
<p>If you notice, the Tea Party has  broken with the religious right and (for the most part) doesn&#8217;t care doodly squat about gay marriage or religious issues&#8211; they&#8217;re more concerned with the direction they perceive the economy is going in.  This has redoubled the efforts of Maggie&#8217;s ilk to target, scare, and fleece thier donor base.  There are only so many dollars to go around in today&#8217;s economy, and the scarcer the donatons get, the more desperate and devious Maggie/Barber/Labarbera, et al., will become.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

I&#039;m sure it won&#039;t surprise you to learn that Maggie was just, well, &#039;speaking words that don&#039;t exactly align with reality&#039;.  The transcript suggests something quite else.

At times it seems that Maggie suffers from Honesty Deficit Disorder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it won&#8217;t surprise you to learn that Maggie was just, well, &#8216;speaking words that don&#8217;t exactly align with reality&#8217;.  The transcript suggests something quite else.</p>
<p>At times it seems that Maggie suffers from Honesty Deficit Disorder.</p>
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		<title>By: Sal Ignab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sal Ignab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The objective of Maggie&#039;s klan is not to stop marriage or to even win this case. It is to scare as many people as possible into giving them money. 

Their response, by the way, won&#039;t be a Supreme Court bid. It will be a Federal Constitutional Amendment. Lots of money to get the right people elected, and Maggie gets a percentage of it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The objective of Maggie&#8217;s klan is not to stop marriage or to even win this case. It is to scare as many people as possible into giving them money. </p>
<p>Their response, by the way, won&#8217;t be a Supreme Court bid. It will be a Federal Constitutional Amendment. Lots of money to get the right people elected, and Maggie gets a percentage of it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie89</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When this case does go to the US Supreme court, I think that the H8ers will bring out their big gun Ken Starr.

And depending on the timing of this case, it could become an issue for the 2012 Presidential elections and the &quot;Federal Marriage Amendment&quot; will probably rear it&#039;s ugly head again.

I don&#039;t believe for 1 nano second that the Republicans won&#039;t use this case as anti-gay fodder to bring out their extreme right wing religious base to the polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When this case does go to the US Supreme court, I think that the H8ers will bring out their big gun Ken Starr.</p>
<p>And depending on the timing of this case, it could become an issue for the 2012 Presidential elections and the &#8220;Federal Marriage Amendment&#8221; will probably rear it&#8217;s ugly head again.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe for 1 nano second that the Republicans won&#8217;t use this case as anti-gay fodder to bring out their extreme right wing religious base to the polls.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My prediction for SCOTUS is a wishy-washy split:

Article One of DOMA (states don&#039;t have to recognize the marriages of other states) is constitutional.

Article Two (the federal government doesn&#039;t have to recognize same-sex marriages/unions) is unconstitutional on equal protection grounds (duh).

I make no prediction how they (read Kennedy) will rule on constitutionality of Prop 8.  I bet it comes down to whether they find animus to have been the driving force behind it, as in Romer vs Evans.

I don&#039;t foresee a sweeping decision legalizing same-sex marriage from sea to shining sea.  No way they will do this unless, perhaps, one of the conservatives is replaced by the time the case is heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My prediction for SCOTUS is a wishy-washy split:</p>
<p>Article One of DOMA (states don&#8217;t have to recognize the marriages of other states) is constitutional.</p>
<p>Article Two (the federal government doesn&#8217;t have to recognize same-sex marriages/unions) is unconstitutional on equal protection grounds (duh).</p>
<p>I make no prediction how they (read Kennedy) will rule on constitutionality of Prop 8.  I bet it comes down to whether they find animus to have been the driving force behind it, as in Romer vs Evans.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t foresee a sweeping decision legalizing same-sex marriage from sea to shining sea.  No way they will do this unless, perhaps, one of the conservatives is replaced by the time the case is heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over at www.prop8case.com, Maggie also posted this tasty little nugget of chutzpah:

Cooper fighting hard to protect 18,000 gay marriages
Postted by Maggie on Wednesday June 1th at 1:47 pm.

Cooper: Long discussion of 18,000 marriages. Cooper fighting hard to protect 18,000 marriages and Prop 8. &quot;We think that grandfathering of those marriages is perfectly rational and
common and perfectly constitutional.&quot;  Judge seems to suggest it is all or nothing.

 * * * *

How sly of her not to mention that it was what the Prop 8 folks put in their answer to the &quot;remedy&quot; question from Judge Walker, that, oh yes, while you&#039;re at it, they would also like to see 18,000 marriages annulled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over at <a href="http://www.prop8case.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.prop8case.com</a>, Maggie also posted this tasty little nugget of chutzpah:</p>
<p>Cooper fighting hard to protect 18,000 gay marriages<br />
Postted by Maggie on Wednesday June 1th at 1:47 pm.</p>
<p>Cooper: Long discussion of 18,000 marriages. Cooper fighting hard to protect 18,000 marriages and Prop 8. &#8220;We think that grandfathering of those marriages is perfectly rational and<br />
common and perfectly constitutional.&#8221;  Judge seems to suggest it is all or nothing.</p>
<p> * * * *</p>
<p>How sly of her not to mention that it was what the Prop 8 folks put in their answer to the &#8220;remedy&#8221; question from Judge Walker, that, oh yes, while you&#8217;re at it, they would also like to see 18,000 marriages annulled.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 05:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie is is a victim of the dual demons: the fear of failure and the need to achieve. She needs to predict failure so she can be right: &lt;i&gt;&quot;See, I told you the evil homosexuals and activist judges are out to get me.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Please Mrs. Srivastav, &lt;i&gt;just go away.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;b&gt;Far&lt;/b&gt; away. Haven&#039;t you got a marriage to attend to? And a child to care for? Time to retreat from public life and just melt back into a private life away from the cameras, web-pages and halls of justice. You will be &lt;i&gt;so much happier&lt;/i&gt; that way and can spend more quality time with your traditional family in your traditional marriage with all its sanctity (hopefully) still intact. Cutting down on your addiction to lies and distortion will also help your state of mind and general well-being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie is is a victim of the dual demons: the fear of failure and the need to achieve. She needs to predict failure so she can be right: <i>&#8220;See, I told you the evil homosexuals and activist judges are out to get me.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Please Mrs. Srivastav, <i>just go away.</i> <b>Far</b> away. Haven&#8217;t you got a marriage to attend to? And a child to care for? Time to retreat from public life and just melt back into a private life away from the cameras, web-pages and halls of justice. You will be <i>so much happier</i> that way and can spend more quality time with your traditional family in your traditional marriage with all its sanctity (hopefully) still intact. Cutting down on your addiction to lies and distortion will also help your state of mind and general well-being.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindoro Almaviva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindoro Almaviva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like I said earlier (when the trial began). They know they are going to lose and expect to and hope they do. Then we will hear the following:

&lt;i&gt;We lost because the judge was gay and he could not separate his sexual preference from the arguments. We even asked him to reccuse and he refused, so we knew we were going to lose all along, so we gave up the battle. See? We are so beaten by this, why don&#039;t you give us some money so we can take this to the Supreme court where there is a majority of republican judges and they will favor us.&lt;/i&gt;

Of course, if the judge has been a heterosexual the excuse would have been:

&lt;i&gt;We lost because the judge was a socialist activist and he could not separate his activism from the arguments. We even asked him to reccuse and let a republican judge preside but he refused, so we knew we were going to lose all along, so we gave up the battle. See? We are so beaten by this, why don&#039;t you give us some money so we can take this to the Supreme court where there is a majority of republican judges and they will favor us.&lt;/i&gt;

And if the judge was a republican the excuse would have been:

&lt;i&gt;We lost because the judge was from CA and in CA there are no real conservatives, they are all conservatives in name only so he couls not separate his  underlining liberal leanings from the arguments. We even asked him to reccuse and he refused, so we knew we were going to lose all along, so we gave up the battle. See? We are so beaten by this, why don&#039;t you give us some money so we can take this to the Supreme court where there is a majority of republican judges and they will favor us.&lt;/i&gt;


They have been preparing this argument for a long time. One way or another they are going to spin this so they look like the victims of some evil empire who is out to get them.

Problem is that there are people stupid enough on this country to believe their crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like I said earlier (when the trial began). They know they are going to lose and expect to and hope they do. Then we will hear the following:</p>
<p><i>We lost because the judge was gay and he could not separate his sexual preference from the arguments. We even asked him to reccuse and he refused, so we knew we were going to lose all along, so we gave up the battle. See? We are so beaten by this, why don&#8217;t you give us some money so we can take this to the Supreme court where there is a majority of republican judges and they will favor us.</i></p>
<p>Of course, if the judge has been a heterosexual the excuse would have been:</p>
<p><i>We lost because the judge was a socialist activist and he could not separate his activism from the arguments. We even asked him to reccuse and let a republican judge preside but he refused, so we knew we were going to lose all along, so we gave up the battle. See? We are so beaten by this, why don&#8217;t you give us some money so we can take this to the Supreme court where there is a majority of republican judges and they will favor us.</i></p>
<p>And if the judge was a republican the excuse would have been:</p>
<p><i>We lost because the judge was from CA and in CA there are no real conservatives, they are all conservatives in name only so he couls not separate his  underlining liberal leanings from the arguments. We even asked him to reccuse and he refused, so we knew we were going to lose all along, so we gave up the battle. See? We are so beaten by this, why don&#8217;t you give us some money so we can take this to the Supreme court where there is a majority of republican judges and they will favor us.</i></p>
<p>They have been preparing this argument for a long time. One way or another they are going to spin this so they look like the victims of some evil empire who is out to get them.</p>
<p>Problem is that there are people stupid enough on this country to believe their crap.</p>
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		<title>By: John in the Bay Area</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in the Bay Area</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 02:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Chuck Cooper is such a heckuva lawyer, I wonder if he will represent the pro-Prop 8 crowd during the appeal of whatever ruling Judge Walker makes.  That decision will answer the question of just how pleased Maggie and her Mormon sponsors are with Cooper&#039;s performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Chuck Cooper is such a heckuva lawyer, I wonder if he will represent the pro-Prop 8 crowd during the appeal of whatever ruling Judge Walker makes.  That decision will answer the question of just how pleased Maggie and her Mormon sponsors are with Cooper&#8217;s performance.</p>
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