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		<title>By: Burr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s definitely an AP photo because I saw the same photo on articles about gay pride parades on several websites. Take it up with them.

Shouldn&#039;t a photo representing the parade have a picture of.. oh.. I dunno.. a parade? Instead of just one guy?

It&#039;s just way too obvious what they&#039;re trying to pull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s definitely an AP photo because I saw the same photo on articles about gay pride parades on several websites. Take it up with them.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t a photo representing the parade have a picture of.. oh.. I dunno.. a parade? Instead of just one guy?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just way too obvious what they&#8217;re trying to pull.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan said &quot;There is nothing “wrong” with nudity OR outrageous attire. What’s wrong is presenting either as being representative of the gay parade, let alone the gay community.&quot;

I agree.

Jarred said &quot;No one picture or pair of pictures is ever going to be truly representative of the parade, let alone the gay community. So why are these two particular non-representative pictures more objectionable to other non-representative pictures you might prefer the paper to use?&quot;.

Because nude people is a rarity at this parade and a picture of casually dressed participants would have been much more representative because that&#039;s what typically is seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan said &#8220;There is nothing “wrong” with nudity OR outrageous attire. What’s wrong is presenting either as being representative of the gay parade, let alone the gay community.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>Jarred said &#8220;No one picture or pair of pictures is ever going to be truly representative of the parade, let alone the gay community. So why are these two particular non-representative pictures more objectionable to other non-representative pictures you might prefer the paper to use?&#8221;.</p>
<p>Because nude people is a rarity at this parade and a picture of casually dressed participants would have been much more representative because that&#8217;s what typically is seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What’s wrong is presenting either as being representative of the gay parade, let alone the gay community.&lt;/i&gt;

Realistically, is that&#039;s what being done.  Is any picture supposed to be taken as &quot;representative&quot; of the whole of an event or group that is being discussed in an article?

And even if it is, then what picture &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be chosen as representative?  Single and childless LGBTQ people may not find pictures of kids being pulled in colorfully decorated wagons as representative.  Jocks may not find men dressed in business suits as representative.

No one picture or pair of pictures is ever going to be truly representative of the parade, let alone the gay community.  So why are these two particular non-representative pictures more objectionable to other non-representative pictures you might prefer the paper to use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What’s wrong is presenting either as being representative of the gay parade, let alone the gay community.</i></p>
<p>Realistically, is that&#8217;s what being done.  Is any picture supposed to be taken as &#8220;representative&#8221; of the whole of an event or group that is being discussed in an article?</p>
<p>And even if it is, then what picture <i>should</i> be chosen as representative?  Single and childless LGBTQ people may not find pictures of kids being pulled in colorfully decorated wagons as representative.  Jocks may not find men dressed in business suits as representative.</p>
<p>No one picture or pair of pictures is ever going to be truly representative of the parade, let alone the gay community.  So why are these two particular non-representative pictures more objectionable to other non-representative pictures you might prefer the paper to use?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two photos published with the AP story in the &lt;i&gt;KC Star&lt;/i&gt;.  Both are attributed as 2009 file photos.  What&#039;s not clear is if they are AP file photos or &lt;i&gt;KC Star&lt;/i&gt; file photos.  Maybe Mikes on Bikes is a regular feature at the SF parade?  The other photo is of a pair of outrageous men celebrating 30 years together.

There is nothing &quot;wrong&quot; with nudity OR outrageous attire.  What&#039;s wrong is presenting either as being representative of the gay parade, let alone the gay community. 

It is a habit that the MSM has had trouble breaking and that made it worth pointing out, imo.

If they were two of dozens of pictures of various elements of the community in a slideshow it would have been different.

It is also pretty inexcusable that they weren&#039;t even from this year&#039;s event, since that is what the headline touted, given the current state of technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two photos published with the AP story in the <i>KC Star</i>.  Both are attributed as 2009 file photos.  What&#8217;s not clear is if they are AP file photos or <i>KC Star</i> file photos.  Maybe Mikes on Bikes is a regular feature at the SF parade?  The other photo is of a pair of outrageous men celebrating 30 years together.</p>
<p>There is nothing &#8220;wrong&#8221; with nudity OR outrageous attire.  What&#8217;s wrong is presenting either as being representative of the gay parade, let alone the gay community. </p>
<p>It is a habit that the MSM has had trouble breaking and that made it worth pointing out, imo.</p>
<p>If they were two of dozens of pictures of various elements of the community in a slideshow it would have been different.</p>
<p>It is also pretty inexcusable that they weren&#8217;t even from this year&#8217;s event, since that is what the headline touted, given the current state of technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;while i agree with the general sentiment that this was irresponsible and probably deliberately chosen to reinforce stereotypes, &lt;b&gt;nude men (or people in general) are not embarrassing, insulting, or degrading.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

I agree with the bolded part.  (Actually, I agree with it all, but I want to focus on the bolded part.)  I&#039;d also like to go a step further and suggest that part of the reasons such sloppy journalism continues to hurt us is because, despite quickly tossed out disclaimers saying the opposite, many in the LGBTQ community still react as if there &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; something wrong with nude men and nude people in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>while i agree with the general sentiment that this was irresponsible and probably deliberately chosen to reinforce stereotypes, <b>nude men (or people in general) are not embarrassing, insulting, or degrading.</b></i></p>
<p>I agree with the bolded part.  (Actually, I agree with it all, but I want to focus on the bolded part.)  I&#8217;d also like to go a step further and suggest that part of the reasons such sloppy journalism continues to hurt us is because, despite quickly tossed out disclaimers saying the opposite, many in the LGBTQ community still react as if there <b>is</b> something wrong with nude men and nude people in general.</p>
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		<title>By: David Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This photo was from San Francisco&#039;s 40th Pride parade yesterday not last year&#039;s. He appeared on the live comcast telecast. He was part of the &quot;Mikes on Bikes&quot;contingent. Why is this any worse than the nude bike events that occur all over the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This photo was from San Francisco&#8217;s 40th Pride parade yesterday not last year&#8217;s. He appeared on the live comcast telecast. He was part of the &#8220;Mikes on Bikes&#8221;contingent. Why is this any worse than the nude bike events that occur all over the world?</p>
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		<title>By: Wulf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lt. Dan Choi was the Grand Marshal. He appeared in the march* in uniform. But, did the MSM or the star focus on that? Or show photos of that? No, of course not. Instead, they show a participant who&#039;s a throwback.

*Yes, it&#039;s a MARCH--officially and technically--but, sadly, not in spirit much anymore. It&#039;s the Heritage of Pride March, the organization behind it for years is Heritage of Pride (HOP).

Corporate-sponsored celebration isn&#039;t wrong or unworthy or unhelpful; but, there are still RIGHTS to be FOUGHT for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lt. Dan Choi was the Grand Marshal. He appeared in the march* in uniform. But, did the MSM or the star focus on that? Or show photos of that? No, of course not. Instead, they show a participant who&#8217;s a throwback.</p>
<p>*Yes, it&#8217;s a MARCH&#8211;officially and technically&#8211;but, sadly, not in spirit much anymore. It&#8217;s the Heritage of Pride March, the organization behind it for years is Heritage of Pride (HOP).</p>
<p>Corporate-sponsored celebration isn&#8217;t wrong or unworthy or unhelpful; but, there are still RIGHTS to be FOUGHT for.</p>
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		<title>By: Mortanius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mortanius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed Kincaid&#039;s views before regarding the Leather Community. Seems if he had it his way, there would be no diversity in our Gay Pride events that do not match his ideal world of Diversity. Which would be married gay couples wearing traditional wedding bands, dockers/slacks, dress shirts or appropriate DINK/Suburbanite clothing. The only way to distinguish them from any hetero-sexual couple would be that they are walking hand in hand. Other than that, his view of diversity ends there. 
We are to drive the same vehicles, live in cookie cutter homes, raise children just like the Hets.

I&#039;ve also noticed a lack of reporting on the fact that this year&#039;s International Mr. Leather is a Transman, but reporting on the &quot;freaks&quot; of the GLBT community is not what this site is about.
I still like the reporting, just saying that everybody has a bias and sometimes Kincaid&#039;s can come through as is his right to do so, since it is his site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed Kincaid&#8217;s views before regarding the Leather Community. Seems if he had it his way, there would be no diversity in our Gay Pride events that do not match his ideal world of Diversity. Which would be married gay couples wearing traditional wedding bands, dockers/slacks, dress shirts or appropriate DINK/Suburbanite clothing. The only way to distinguish them from any hetero-sexual couple would be that they are walking hand in hand. Other than that, his view of diversity ends there.<br />
We are to drive the same vehicles, live in cookie cutter homes, raise children just like the Hets.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also noticed a lack of reporting on the fact that this year&#8217;s International Mr. Leather is a Transman, but reporting on the &#8220;freaks&#8221; of the GLBT community is not what this site is about.<br />
I still like the reporting, just saying that everybody has a bias and sometimes Kincaid&#8217;s can come through as is his right to do so, since it is his site.</p>
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		<title>By: Muscat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 03:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while i agree with the general sentiment that this was irresponsible and probably deliberately chosen to reinforce stereotypes, nude men (or people in general) are not embarrassing, insulting, or degrading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while i agree with the general sentiment that this was irresponsible and probably deliberately chosen to reinforce stereotypes, nude men (or people in general) are not embarrassing, insulting, or degrading.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 02:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is from AP and the photos are probably AP file photos. That could also explain why they are at the top of any Google search (though not the one I just ran).

The way the &lt;i&gt;Star&lt;/i&gt; chose to run them in this report is a throwback to the last century and not representative of the paper the last few decades. I know, because as editor of a gay publication, I covered their progressive policies on domestic partnership rights for their employees, as well as the issue of publishing gay survivors in obits in the 1990s.

Must have been a weekend editor that let the article post the way it is, though that is a pretty lame excuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is from AP and the photos are probably AP file photos. That could also explain why they are at the top of any Google search (though not the one I just ran).</p>
<p>The way the <i>Star</i> chose to run them in this report is a throwback to the last century and not representative of the paper the last few decades. I know, because as editor of a gay publication, I covered their progressive policies on domestic partnership rights for their employees, as well as the issue of publishing gay survivors in obits in the 1990s.</p>
<p>Must have been a weekend editor that let the article post the way it is, though that is a pretty lame excuse.</p>
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