Comments on: Ugandan LGBT Advocate Found Beheaded (Updated — It’s A Hoax)

By: sokari ekine

sokari ekine — Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:02:05 +0000

It is unfortunate that Box Turtle did not take the time to verify this story before publishing. In order to ensure that the “hoax” is given as much publicity I hope you will publish that story independently.

Below is a press statement from SMUG on this story.

http://www.blacklooks.org/2010/07/beheaded-ugandan-not-an-lgbt-activist/

By: Bejice

Bejice — Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:19:59 +0000

Thanks (sarcastically) to the missionaries of hate, especially Scott Lively who went to Africa, specifically Uganda and preached nothing but pure hate towards homosexuals (if hate can ever be pure). What he did was similar to stirring up a fire in a dry forest, got into his luxury plane and flew back to his wealthy home and comfort in America, leaving gay people burning in the fire he started with no exit signs to safety. You can clearly see the confusion is his eyes during the interview. If he feels he has such a ‘ministry’, why not go out and not only preach but also bring healings and help that struggling countries need, and let God be the judge of it all?

By: Jim Burroway

Jim Burroway — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 22:17:04 +0000

Update @14:45 PST: More fingerprints of a hoax are emerging. The Rev. Erich Kasirye, identified as the "General Secretary, Integrity Uganda" and who gave an extensive quotation that I reproduced below, appears to have been involved with a few money-raising scams through his connection with Integrity Uganda in 2004. He also absconded with the Kitemu Community Center, which had been built using funds from Integrity USA, by turning it over to the Anglican Church of Uganda while renouncing his connections with Integrity Uganda to church officials. Integrity USA and Integrity Uganda severed ties with Kasirye at that time. More information here.

By: Priya Lynn

Priya Lynn — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 21:16:58 +0000

Good enough, Nick.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 21:11:53 +0000

Nick,

Thanks for providing an informed perspective. Whatever the real facts may have been, the myth is reality at this point – it’s what motivates.

By: Nick

Nick — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:55:42 +0000

I guess I may be biased in favour of the story that says the martyrs were killed, at least partly, because they refused the king’s homosexual advances. Biased because this much-believed part of the story is a useful spoke in the the wheel of argument by LGBTs in Africa against the modern argument which says that “homo sex (etc) is un-African, it was not there until the colonialists brought it” – the literature, to say that the early explorers, anthropologists and colonialists found homosexuality being practised by some, exists, but is sparse.

Also I would agree with pretty much everything in Timothy’s post, except to point out that to consider disobeying the king was anathema, whether it was sexual advances, rejecting a new religion, or any combination of the two. If I understand correctly the workings of the court at that time, the king’s word was law and anyone else’s personal thoughts or inconveniences did not come into the equation.

Good evening all.

By: Nick

Nick — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:17:01 +0000

Priya, this part “and told that to further accept his advances would be wrong.” is an opinion based on previous reading and discussions while in Uganda. In my efforts to correct Jim’s original assertion of the martyrs identity, I should not in that first of my posts have portrayed that part here re-quoted as fact. But otherwise I think I made clear my views that denying the king’s advances was a part of it and clearly the political situation was another part of it.

What I was trying to say in the post previous to this one is that this is a view I have formed from talking people when the subject has come up, which is at least every year on Martyrs day.

I am allowed, whilst answering your questions, to express my agreement with Jim wouldn’t you think?

By: Jim Burroway

Jim Burroway — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:15:01 +0000

Important update: Despite three sources providing some corroborating details, the verasity of this story has been called into question. Sources in the U.S. and Uganda now say that the young man in question was not connected with Integrity Uganda, and that Bishop Christopher Senyonjo did not make a statement attributed to him by Changing Attitudes. I am still looking for more information and will provide updates as soon as I have them.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:46:19 +0000

A thought on the Ugandan martyrs:

A martyr is someone who is killed for their faith. If the pages where killed solely for resisting advances, then they would not be martyrs.

So the anti-gays retell the story with homosexuality as the villain and equate Christianity with “resisting homosexuality.” The presumption is that were they not Christian, it would not have occurred to them to not welcome advances – which may or may not be true, but seems to me to be something that does not deserve the benefit of presumption.

It is similar to the way that the story of Sodom is retold. Although in the Genesis telling, God decided to destroy Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboim for the outcry against them and for the grevousness of their sin, those who would see this told in terms of homosexuality retell the tale so that the cause of the destruction of the four cities was the homosexuality of the men of Sodom as evidenced by an event that occurs after God’s stated intention.

It, like the Uganda story, is a retelling in which (to borrow a phrase from Exodus) the opposite of homosexuality is holiness and vice versa

Ironically, this deification of heterosexuality and equating it to godly faith is precisely what Judaic Law sought to oppose. The Levitical prohibitions on certain types of sexuality were in large part to distinguish between Judaism and the surrounding sex-cult practices.

At times it seems to me that Christianity has almost gone to the opposite extreme. The emphasis which some Christians place on penises and vaginae and what to do with them come close to sex-cult in their obsessive quality.

By: Priya Lynn

Priya Lynn — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:38:53 +0000

And Nick, if that is what you believe, on what do you base your conclusion?